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I agree...but that seems to be the standard that most people go by.Anyone that has paid attention to my selections, knows that quite a few of the longer shots I give (underneath) have hit the ticket making for nice tri/super tickets. However, I know how plop is, and I accept it...However, anyone can challenge me and set the rules of the game and I will play along... (i have been on this site for long enough to know, the people that criticize, will never attempt this )GSB