THE EMERGENCE OF SO MANY 1/5 AMD 1/9 FINAL ODDS BY CAW

[Any1Left]

You brought those 2 horses to everyone's attention, with Your Foolish post "It's out of control"

Look we can call each other names 

i do not know why you are angry with this gut after you made a very correct and good post and you know you are correct,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i never read a foolish post from you,,,,,,,,

[Locked in with pace]

Race 8, Friday at the the Meadowlands in a new 2-4 TROT RACE.  .Late money comes in on the 4 as he leaves the gate.

$2.40   $2.10   $2.10   As stated earlier -It's out of control

[darnoldrocks]

Would be interesting to see someone break down the numbers at Mohawk with respect to chalk dominance.
Thursday it was apparent, but not overwhelming.
Friday night was a joke.   If you bet a horse to win at 2 - 1 or higher, you were throwing your ticket away.
Mohawk needs to at least take a look to see if that is a trend.
If it is, either this whole late betting scenario may be true and or, you're doing a terrible job of creating your conditions.  The races aren't competitive. 

[Papillon]

those who are allowed to bet after the bell, like Elite get about 1/8th a mile to get their bets in

they need to see ALL the bets made into the pools before they make their pool analysis

[PIGLAND]

i would like to see the last flash only odds ,like a seperate pool ,

[Any1Left]

i have taken photos of the exactors as they go behind the gate and they drop in accordance with the win bet its a complete joe thats not funny............ .

[pocketrocketwinner]

i have taken photos of the exactors as they go behind the gate and they drop in accordance with the win bet its a complete joe thats not funny............ .

Elite can make all their win, exacta, trifecta bets etc all in 1 batch of bets. They need about 1 second to analyze pools and send in hundreds of bets at the same time. Belinda stonach and NYRA (elite) are great business partners for Gural

[pocketrocketwinner]

NYRA bars CAW win money on their own product at 1 MTP cause they know how bad it is for perception of their own product but they absolutely hammer meadowlands win bets at the very last call through their own caw (elite).

[Yonkers1A]

NYRA bars CAW win money on their own product at 1 MTP cause they know how bad it is for perception of their own product but they absolutely hammer meadowlands win bets at the very last call through their own caw (elite).

I will give NYRA some props for this, also I think CAWS are banded from NYRA win pools, however they are killing racing payoffs

[Any1Left]

those who are allowed to bet after the bell, like Elite get about 1/8th a mile to get their bets in

they need to see ALL the bets made into the pools before they make their pool analysis

Pap,,,,,winners paying 2.80 and you would have to think that can not be a winning formula but if it was not the would not keep going on and people are missing a huge problem and that is the breeders as they want fast times for breeding and this has broken horses down plus makes racing boring and helped the drug cheats as they are usually the leaders and its time to bank the track way more and get rid of passing lanes and go inside one pylon and you are down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, More front runners win in harness racing than in quarter horse racing,,,,,,,,,,,,,i do not know of a track worse than Western fair and Mohawk and these were great tracks for closers 30 years ago and western fair was a track that produced young superstars and today it is to me the worst track on the planet as management just does not care,,,,,,,,,

[Papillon]

I will give NYRA some props for this, also I think CAWS are banded from NYRA win pools, however they are killing racing payoffs

NYRA cuts off the rebate for Elite at 3 minutes till post--but not the other pools-they are not banded

they are allowed in the WPS at the last flash-but they receive no rebate for this so you wont see big odds change

they can play all horizontals and verticals after all other bets--just not WPS

Oaklawn does not allow any CAW in to the pools--owner Cella saw the pick pocketing and never allowed them in--thats why they have relatively smaller pick 4 and pick 5 pools

[pocketrocketwinner]

I will give NYRA some props for this, also I think CAWS are banded from NYRA win pools, however they are killing racing payoffs

CAWs still severely aggect their other pools, gamblers still getting the shaft. NYRA attempting to protect their image is all, removing the most obvious pool CAWs affect - win.
Then NYRA turns around and attacks any pool that's available to them with Elite - for harness purposes, NYRA is in part behind what you see nightly at the meadowlands.

[SAW]

Race 8, Friday at the the Meadowlands in a new 2-4 TROT RACE.  .Late money comes in on the 4 as he leaves the gate.

$2.40   $2.10   $2.10   As stated earlier -It's out of control

Out of control again Saturday night @ The Big M race 12, I guess Elite cleaned up again

8 LOUISVILLE GB Odds of 1/9,  $2.20  $2.10  $2.10  Oh never mind she finished 4th

You can Cherry Pick you results and ignore the rest of the weekend 

[pocketrocketwinner]

Out of control again Saturday night @ The Big M race 12, I guess Elite cleaned up again

8 LOUISVILLE GB Odds of 1/9,  $2.20  $2.10  $2.10  Oh never mind she finished 4th

You can Cherry Pick you results and ignore the rest of the weekend 

And the exacta n that race paid pathetically bad. I have no issue with a horse like louisville being 1/9. T Dog and queem sun ryser are a different story. I also don't care about results. It's about legitimacy of the odds board

[SeattleSlew]

Bet 365 has proposed a lock in your price wager. It’s supposed to start in Colorado and only 1 or 2 tracks with gallopers. Don’t know if it will ever hit all of the states and include harness tracks.

https://harnessracingupdate.com/2024/12/20/bet365-first-u-s-sportsbook-offering-fixed-odds-wagering-on-horse-racing/

Not exactly sure how it will shape up, but they claim they will be taking bets on many of the major races, and at many harness tracks over the next two years.  Right now I only see flats.