These 2 might be the worst trainers and drivers in all of harness racing. They once in a while win races when not teamed together and get lucky but together are auto toss. Poor Dream Out Loud ended up in there hands at age 15. No way a horse deserves to be partial retired, driven by that fat non talent and trained by a guy who couldn’t train a dog to bark. Too it all off poor old fella living in slums on grounds at Yonkers. Latest connections who won 11 in row really fed this one to wolves.