Karl

[rainman2]

If they tried to race him at all as a 4 yr old, I think his value would have gone down more. He already has shown his vulnerabilities, at least Noel told everyone about his horse, no bullshit. I do question Karl's heart after re watching his 3 yr old races. His lack of anything on the maternal side, I wouldn't take a shot when there are great alternatives.

And less expensive alternatives!!

[Here they come]

He is going to stand in KY

[rainman2]

He is going to stand in KY

Does Kentucky have ‘dual’ program where you can have an out of state bred horse that can be foaled in Kentucky and race both programs?

Does being a Kentucky sire help or hurt those who are interested in breeding to him and having to race there??

[SDST2009]

If they tried to race him at all as a 4 yr old, I think his value would have gone down more. He already has shown his vulnerabilities, at least Noel told everyone about his horse, no bullshit. I do question Karl's heart after re watching his 3 yr old races. His lack of anything on the maternal side, I wouldn't take a shot when there are great alternatives.

I too would be way more inclined to try, for example, Sig Sauer over him, especially because my assumption is he's going to end up standing for around half of what they'll want for Karl. Muscle Hill sons, while not all top-tier sires, certainly hold their own. Sig also has a much stronger female line that actually seems to be heating back up, too.

[Miguel_Sanchez]

Sig was a 200K yearling so he has better pedigree and confirmation that Karl.  Karl found his speed early as a typical driven 2yo by Yannick.  They never get any faster or better.  He went to the well way too soon.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Does Kentucky have ‘dual’ program where you can have an out of state bred horse that can be foaled in Kentucky and race both programs?

Does being a Kentucky sire help or hurt those who are interested in breeding to him and having to race there??

I believe they do...but, independent of that, KY's program has been completely reinvented. It's really amazing compared to what it used to be. They went from a good, solid KYSS program, to none at all, to this. A strong sire stakes program makes all the difference in selling and buying high-priced yearlings. It's simply good for the business. Now, the sales are crooked, but that's another story. LOL.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I think if they set Karl at 12,500 and sell him hard, and support him properly, he'll do fine for three to five years. I don't see him impacting the breed, but then again, people were wrong about Ralph Hanover, Speedy Somolli, Sweet Lou, and others, LOL.

I don't see one three year old this year who is a game-changer.

[shotgunner]

I think if they set Karl at 12,500 and sell him hard, and support him properly, he'll do fine for three to five years. I don't see him impacting the breed, but then again, people were wrong about Ralph Hanover, Speedy Somolli, Sweet Lou, and others, LOL.

I don't see one three year old this year who is a game-changer.

TCI brings an interesting pedigree to the table, one of the last sons of cantab hall. Burke will probably race him for 2 or 3 years. If he turns into a top older trotter, 3 mil and a mark of 50 will make him a sire somewhere.

[rainman2]

TCI brings an interesting pedigree to the table, one of the last sons of cantab hall. Burke will probably race him for 2 or 3 years. If he turns into a top older trotter, 3 mil and a mark of 50 will make him a sire somewhere.

The horse could be a sire in Maryland, Massachusetts, Maine, and Minnesota for sure!  Massachusetts would be very interesting as there is good money and the stakes season is after all major others (with the exception of Kentucky) and the program is only taking off now, not fully saturated with limited talent racing in this program!

[Brown jug]

the kentucky stallion program rewards the owner of horses sired by a stallion standing in kentucky
the sires foals earn double earnings in all kentucky sires stakes races, i believe at ages 2,3,4
encourages strong yearling sales
gimpanzee is an example

[Brown jug]

apparently tci going to stand in ohio in 2025
might be getting a few too many sires in the sport , certainly trotting but i guess everyone that owns a decent/good horse wants them to be a stallion
overall not good for the sport, would love to see some of these race at 4 and 5 at least

[Brown jug]

jidge, you make an interesting observation on diamond creek and their breeding on those pacing mares
little close on the inbreeding for my liking but they seem hooked based on the rock n roll dance line based on past success

[Call Sign Merlin]

apparently tci going to stand in ohio in 2025
might be getting a few too many sires in the sport , certainly trotting but i guess everyone that owns a decent/good horse wants them to be a stallion
overall not good for the sport, would love to see some of these race at 4 and 5 at least

Ohio has way too many studs - most of them being second or third tier from their respective year.  The Amish have wildly overpopulated the state with almost 1k sold at public auction this year alone.  I know good trainers that have just decided to focus on low priced lottery tickets vs trying to make back $40-50k in overpopulated classes - last two dominate trotting filly’s (Herculisa and Sugar Instead) were sold for under $10k.

What the Hill, In Range, Long Tom, Volstead, Ready for Moni, Beyond Kronos, Branded by Lindy, Centurion ATM, Coach K Hanover, Cuatro De Julio, Guardian Angel, Marseille, Play Trix On Me, Run Director, Slay, Uncle Peter….and those are just the more known ones.  There are also horses like Molotov Cocktail, Mission Accepted, Il Sogno Dream, etc that still get bred to.

[JIDGE]

jidge, you make an interesting observation on diamond creek and their breeding on those pacing mares
little close on the inbreeding for my liking but they seem hooked based on the rock n roll dance line based on past success

Not many successful inbred (2x3) horses. And if I was going to inbreed I'd go with Somebeachsomewher e, not A Rocknroll Dance. Just don't think bringing a double dose of A Rocknroll Dance to a son of Sweet Lou is going to work.