mohawk / woodbine / woodhawk / mobine

[slimshady]

Seriously, who in their right mind named the track   Woodbine Mohawk Park     Was the goal to confuse patrons.  What value added reason was there to combine 2 uniquely recognized track names into one and actually give top billing to the name that doesn't match the location.   That must have required at least a 9 person panel to do something that stupid.

[slimshady]

Thanks for the historical perspective.    2 things about Greenwood  ....   1)   That land was just too valuable to ever survive as a race track.   2) Almost impossible to ship in for racing at Greenwood.  For a 7pm start, you would need to leave Guelph area at 3pm to ensure arrival to the track on time.   To race a horse in the 5th would require an 8 hour investment.  To race at Mohawk, 4 to 5 hours for the same entry. 

[Trottin Man]

I was watching Opening night, and a female executive from WEG said the Woodbine branding name carries more meaning than just "Mohawk". I agree that this is just a stupid idea. One thing that will never change is when someone ask you where are you going tonight, the answer will always be. "To the Hawk". One change I do love is the 7:30 start time. It gives you time to go home after work, have some dinner, and still make it out to the track for the early double.

[slimshady]

Trottin   .....    Wait till that young, inexperienced family of 4 show up for an inexpensive night out at Woodbine on rexdale, only to realize Woodbine2 is actually near Milton.  You'll doubly piss them off, if they started out in Oakville.     The young, don't know racing yet crowd, you are trying to attract to the sport and the fun night out of entertainment, have no connection to the WOODBINE brand.  And honestly, if anything, it's a thoroughbred brand!!

[mtnskipper]

Trottin   .....    Wait till that young, inexperienced family of 4 show up for an inexpensive night out at Woodbine on rexdale, only to realize Woodbine2 is actually near Milton.  You'll doubly piss them off, if they started out in Oakville.     The young, don't know racing yet crowd, you are trying to attract to the sport and the fun night out of entertainment, have no connection to the WOODBINE brand.  And honestly, if anything, it's a thoroughbred brand!!

it is bound to happen, probably soon and more than once someone not that familiar with the situation is going to agree to meet someone at woodbine for the trotters leaving out the mohawk tag in the conversation or more than likely text. one party will be at mohawk and the other will be pulling into woodbine wondering why there is no harness racing.

[Brutus Buckeye]

PARDON US, WE JUST CALL IT THE TRACK UP NORTH

[slimshady]

Brutus  ....   I love that handle.   I am using it going forward.    See you at "the track up north" tonight.   Now that's a brand I can get behind. 

[Equus Caballus]

Who cares what it’s called?

It’s a great betting and great racing track

[mwins]

Brutus  ....   I love that handle.   I am using it going forward.    See you at "the track up north" tonight.   Now that's a brand I can get behind. 

But both tracks are just north of the 401 lol.

[E P Taylor]

 IF YOU ALL WOULD JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND SAY YOU ARE GOING TO THE BUGGY, OR CHUCKWAGON RACES NO ONE WOULD BE CONFUSED.

 IT IS BY SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO THE HORSE RACES WE HAVE A PROBLEM

[pylon]

Slim lets go further back to the days of OJC when Greenwood was sold to land developers because they needed cash. E.P Taylor who was the head of Argus Corporation their board was famous for raiding the employees pension funds from companies within their holdings. They did it with Carling Breweries then sold the company. They did it with Dominion Stores and they did it with Massey-Ferguson and both of these companies were then just a shell of what they were. Well the Taylor family also had a trust in the OJC and when E.P's son Charles found out he had cancer, he cashed in and that led the OJC scrambling for cash which led to the selling of Greenwood. The board of directors now at WEG would love to have had the chance to stop that sale because first they never got fair market value it was fire sale money and secondly they would never had to put in 10 million in today's money for Mohawk, it would have been closed. Added to that then when WEG won the lottery for Toronto casino bid they would have two venues, Greenwood and Woodbine. Why they would do this new branding has a lot of people shaking their heads but then again though the board of directors names have changed over the years don't take these moves at face value, the real move will play out 3-4 moves down the road.

Taylor was long gone from being the head of Argus.........you r revistionist history is misleading......C onrad Black was the head of that company, .......your post, with all due respect, is full of mistakes, and misleading statements

[slimshady]

EPT  ....   enjoy your tbreds.   The whole worldwide industry is controlled by 24 massively rich people/trusts, surrounded by a bunch of drugged out little midgets riding for them.  Kinda sad really.

[pylon]

Pylon and who in Argus though gone directed the board to put Conrad Black at the helm. Black was hand picked by Taylor so before you say misleading get your facts straight.

once again, you are rewriting history, to be polite, or just making things up, to be rude, Black got control through a holdingcompany... he was not anointed by Taylor , so please do some googling and stop spreading nonsense

[Artsplace]

Slim I was surprised with this rebranding especially when all over NA everyone in harness racing and their bettors knew Mohawk. Let's not forget that the core brain trust at WEG is Thoroughbreds and always will be and that Harness racing has always been the refugee. One thing that has never changed is the greed in that WEG want's it all. What is even more obnoxious is that outside of the core at WEG is that all the new blood that is putting up these new wave ideas to the board has no investment in the game. Why I used the word obnoxious is because why would they do something that is not in the best interest of those who support the Harness side of the business when in reality it all is going into the same pot that is WEG.

Again spreading bullshit. Just stop. Yur embarrasin yurself again. You related to the Woodbine doc Tim Y?

[pylon]

pylon, Taylor's partner was Montegue Black who was Conrad's father and don't think for a minute that there was not some stipulations put in place, we all take care of our young. It was a natural progression for Revelstoke who Conrad was in charge of when the takeover of Argus happened he would be in charge of Argus.

iceman, enough already, it matters not who was in charge of Argus..........yo u are just postering and supposing....offe ring no facts..........We g was desperate for $ they sold the land...Taylor , Black had nothing to do with it