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Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« on: May 31, 2018, 01:09:52 AM »
ECONOMIC INDICATORS ON U.S. RACES
May 29, 2018: $3,434,579
YTD 2018   YTD 2017   % Change
Total Wagered   $592,495,135   $592,039,540   +0.08%
Per Race avg.   $48,849   $44,828   +8.97%

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 01:43:19 AM »
any increase is welcomed news.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 04:37:04 AM »
 Only a true degenerate loser could look at those numbers and come up with that conclusion. 

Total Wagered         $592,495,135     vs         $592,039,540 +0.08%

another fool who skipped school on math class day.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 06:08:33 AM »
per race is not total wager? Total wagered change is barely a blip especially given the new IRS rules.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2018, 07:06:37 AM »
 WHERE IS THAT FIGURE SOME PLOPSTER SAID IS MOST IMPORTANT?

HANDLE PER HORSE   ngc3

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2018, 12:55:15 PM »
Per Race Avg. is a better indicator of the economic state of harness racing for a million reasons.

If ya'll are too dumb to see that, it isn't worth arguing over.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2018, 12:58:05 PM »
WHERE IS THAT FIGURE SOME PLOPSTER SAID IS MOST IMPORTANT?

HANDLE PER HORSE   ngc3

That was moi.

And if you don't believe handle per horse is important, you certainly do belong.  

Oh yeah, ROI is only WIN wagering.  



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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2018, 01:00:33 PM »
Per Race Avg. is a better indicator of the economic state of harness racing for a million reasons.

If ya'll are too dumb to see that, it isn't worth arguing over.

100% agree, and if you break it down even further, the per horse # is quite significant as well. 

And we've learned quite recently that nearly 50% of all who choose to "speak" are beyond dumb, so I'm sure 1 in 2 will want to argue or call you names. 

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2018, 01:04:04 PM »
Thank you Donald for starting to make harness racing GREAT AGAIN

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2018, 02:15:24 PM »
Per Race Avg. is a better indicator of the economic state of harness racing for a million reasons.

If ya'll are too dumb to see that, it isn't worth arguing over.

Yeah, it's not though. If it is, list a few instead of making ad hom attacks. Harness Racing is a DEAD FUCKING GAME.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2018, 02:50:11 PM »
Goblue...you couldn't be more wrong. If the state of harness racing was beyond health. There would be no need for slots. If that 48k per a race average and there was no slot program. The PURSE ACCOUNT which FUNDS the races, especially overnight races would get back just 2,000. So goblue you tell me what type of races you would be wagering on. A whole lot of 4k claimer.

Now if your talking about say the Kentucky Derby a race that handled 150mln and a card that handled 227.5mln. That gives you a better indicator for the state of thoroughbred racing. Both increases over last year handle. Just think blue it took nearly 1100 racing cards with probably a average of 11 races in 5.5 months to handle 595mln. It took Churchill 1 card with 13 races to handle 227.5mln. Harness racing is fucking dead to bettors because there betting pools suck. Without slots racing would have 4 or 5 harness tracks and the game would be near death.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2018, 03:57:04 PM »
You are all wrong.

The correct measure is

Total Purses Paid  DIVIDED BY Total Foal Crop XYEAR where

XYEAR = Current Year - Median Age of all Horses who ran in Current Year.

That is, of course, the owners perspective.

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 05:41:03 PM »
They should only run 100 races per yr.

Imagine how high a % it would be up.  ;D

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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2018, 05:43:45 PM »
I never said I believe harness racing is "healthy," because it's not.  That would be a ludicrous opinion. It will likely be nonexistent in the next generation.

I also never said that Per Race Avg. is the best way to gauge the economic state of harness racing.  I actually think Avg. Purse/race is the best way to visualize the downfall of harness racing. Instead, I said that Per Race Wagering Avg. is a more informative figure than Total Wagered YTD.  

I believe this because when I refer to the "economic state of harness racing," I am referring to the economic state of harness racing TRACKS.  Without the tracks for horses to race at, there is no harness racing.  Without Hawthorne Racecourse, for example, there is no Illinois harness racing.  Without Pompano Park, there is no Florida harness racing.  This entire sport revolves around track owners and purse accounts.  Seeing an increased Per Race Avg. says one thing: each harness race a track hosts in 2018 is drawing increased betting interest than a race in 2017.  It's that simple. As wacky as it sounds, track owners are businessmen. In a business, the popularity of the product you are presenting (a horse race) is the #1 most important thing, and so far in 2018, that product is attracting more interest.  

With a declining # of race days, of course Total Purse $ is going to drop (which it actually hasn't), because there are fewer races to bet on! This figure says absolutely nothing about the popularity of the races that are actually run.  All it says is that there are fewer races to bet on for the presumptive larger betting crowd compared to last year.  
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Re: Wagering up 8.97% YTD
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2018, 06:12:40 PM »
what percent of total purses is slow welfare?

 

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