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Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:39:58 PM »
Our buddy Lucpark has a 2 year old Rocky Got Framed qualify in 1:55.1 winning by a length. tmbz1

Outstanding right? hvc.1

Enough to get excited about for the Indiana Stakes season. tmbz1

That was until Brian Brown (Bowermaster) qualified EGOMANIA in 1:53.4 winning by 14 and 1/2!

How did Brian Brown go from years of practical obscurity to crushing the top gassers in the country? 68xv.2

FACT: All of harness racing's meteoric rises by obscure trainers have ended up getting caught cheating. 77z.chf

So how is it that their 2 year olds are magically better than everyone else's? 87xc.2 74zac.1

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 05:41:28 PM »
are you saying hooser is allowing this beard?

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2018, 05:45:08 PM »
are you saying hooser is allowing this beard?


No.

His name is down on the Brown horses at Hoosier but Brown isn't suspended.

Brown is down as owner on a few that Bowermaster was listed as trainer.

Actually this is how Burke should be made to list his 2nd trainer at Hoosier since we know Burke isn't there.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2018, 06:18:41 PM »
are you saying hooser is allowing this beard?


One other point, I have been playing Northfield/Scioto/Raceway Park/Meadows/Pocono/Little Brown Jug for years.

Before Downbytheseaside and Fear The Dragon I had never heard of Brown yet he ain't no spring chicken. 84zac.1

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 06:26:48 PM »

One other point, I have been playing Northfield/Scioto/Raceway Park/Meadows/Pocono/Little Brown Jug for years.

Before Downbytheseaside and Fear The Dragon I had never heard of Brown yet he ain't no spring chicken. 84zac.1
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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 07:21:12 PM »

No.

His name is down on the Brown horses at Hoosier but Brown isn't suspended.

Brown is down as owner on a few that Bowermaster was listed as trainer.

Actually this is how Burke should be made to list his 2nd trainer at Hoosier since we know Burke isn't there.

I agree

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 07:22:18 PM »
Big B's barn got better the moment he'd hired Todd Luther.   Peace out.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 08:02:29 PM »
Big B's barn got better the moment he'd hired Todd Luther.   Peace out.

Yeh, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN IT!!! ngc3 ngc3

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 08:39:26 PM »
Big B's barn got better the moment he'd hired Todd Luther.   Peace out.

Stop it.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 08:59:33 PM »
Our buddy Lucpark has a 2 year old Rocky Got Framed qualify in 1:55.1 winning by a length. tmbz1

Outstanding right? hvc.1

Enough to get excited about for the Indiana Stakes season. tmbz1

That was until Brian Brown (Bowermaster) qualified EGOMANIA in 1:53.4 winning by 14 and 1/2!

How did Brian Brown go from years of practical obscurity to crushing the top gassers in the country? 68xv.2

FACT: All of harness racing's meteoric rises by obscure trainers have ended up getting caught cheating. 77z.chf

So how is it that their 2 year olds are magically better than everyone else's? 87xc.2 74zac.1

Having 100 2yr olds in training, as Brown did this winter, can sure make a guy look good. And Brown himself is likely an excellent training. Anyone that knows anything about racing knows the very youngest just need speed. It is not about the drugs. Check that, they need a big bankroll and they BUY speed.

Aged horses need drugs. The success of Brian Brown is very likely not about any drugs but having a big checkbook and large stable behind him. He has numerous horses that never make the track.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 10:11:39 PM »
brian has always been a good horseman..he just had owners that upped the ante

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 11:30:05 PM »
Brian is a hell of a horseman!

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2018, 12:58:17 AM »
Exactly 2daysaweek. When you have owners that buy and spend loads of cash you best have picked out some good ones. That's why the big name trainers are always at the top of the money list. Doesn't mean there owners are making money. It's just they have a better day job then Swoodall. Racing is there to stroke their ego. Brown had 10 colts in yesterday in the Ohio sire stakes and another 5 filly pacers going tomorrow in Ohio. Whether he has the current magic potion or not money always flocks to where people think they can find success in this shitty rate of return sport.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2018, 01:54:26 AM »
Exactly 2daysaweek. When you have owners that buy and spend loads of cash you best have picked out some good ones. That's why the big name trainers are always at the top of the money list. Doesn't mean there owners are making money. It's just they have a better day job then Swoodall. Racing is there to stroke their ego. Brown had 10 colts in yesterday in the Ohio sire stakes and another 5 filly pacers going tomorrow in Ohio. Whether he has the current magic potion or not money always flocks to where people think they can find success in this shitty rate of return sport.



One would think a Mensa wannabe would be smarter than this! angbk

Not one figgin trainer in the history of harness racing can tell you whether the yearling they just bought is gonna be a good one or not until they break them and train them down.

Not one high profile trainer who has concentrated on large numbers of 2&3 year olds in their careers have had the high percentage of success that Brown is experiencing per season getting each individual group to the track.

All of Brown's 2 year olds are showing outstanding qualifiers in fast times with one looking as good as another on paper.

Takter, Burke, Morgan Jr, Erv Miller, Alagna, Joe Anderson and many other large current and past operations have had as many 2 year olds in training as Brown has but the difference is those guys would get a couple of real good ones out of their crops and another 4 or 5 decent ones NOT 20 or 30 or more! 68xv.2

So you want me to believe Brown has a better eye for yearlings and a better training program then some of the best trainers harness racing has ever produced?

Brown's percentage of success is closer to Brett Pelling's, Casie Coleman's or Rene Allard's than Erv Miller's.

And we all know Coleman has "Da Shit" and Allard and Pelling's history is well documented.

John Leahy one said publicly that Joe Anderson was so much better than anyone else at selecting yearlings that he could look one in the eye and tell you if he would be a good one or not. 43z.stf

We all know now that that was a fucking lie! 68xv.2

You can not win in harness racing by dumping lots of money into breeding and buying herds of yearlings expecting to win a war of attrition. Many many misguided owners have tried it way before Brown's owners and have failed miserably. :1

No one here can deny that no matter what track I look at in my programs where Brown has 2 year olds starting their careers those Brown 2 year old's qualifiers look like world beaters on paper.

They may not finish this year that way but they certainly are drawing lots of attention.

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Re: Brian Brown (Shane Bowermaster) 2 Year Olds At Hoosier
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2018, 03:42:18 AM »
For you doubters here is some historical perspective:

I randomly grabbed a Horseman and Fair World Breeders Edition from 2002. (yes I have a bunch of these oldies)

In 2001 Artsplace had the largest total of foals bred at 140.

Western Hanover (118 foals) was the leading percentage sire of 2 year olds.

Fastest performers:

Artspalce = Worldly Beauty 1:52.2
Western Hanover = Western Shooter 1:50.0

The sport's two greatest sires at the time getting the highest quality mares produced these numbers:
                                            Under           Under          Under            Under           Under
2 Year Olds               Total      2:05             2:00           1:55              1:54             1:53
Artsplace                   140       52/37%        41/29%      6/4.2%          3/2.1%         1/.07%
Western Hanover        118      60/50.8%     49/41%       9/7.6%          6/5.0%         4/3.3%

The best that the greatest sires of their time, breeding to the best mares, could do to produce the best 2 year olds was 4-7% of the total foal crop or about 15 of 258 foals!

Of Course this is a random sample but I'm using the very best sires stats from that year.

I'm sorry but if way less than 10% of a great sire's entire crop in a given year is rated as good performers and you exceed those averages in your barn using inferior stock then you have defied the historical norm.

Now some of you want me to believe a single trainer racing a mixture of sale yearlings and homebreds can crush those 2 year old percentages of good horses from their stock by using what? Hay and oats? ngc3 ngc3

Using the high end, 8% of 113 two year olds equals 9 good performers. And about 3-4 might be very good for Brown.

Clearly Brown is ahead of the curve and we will see if he can sustain it.

 

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