Dave Magee Is Also A Crook And His Legacy Is Stained Forever

[swoodall]

Magee the Hall Of Fame driver retired and took a stewards job at Hoosier.

He immediately let in Warren, Oosting and a host of other criminals.

Now Dave and his fellow stewards at Hoosier have gained a much deserved reputation for doing NOTHING!

I'm not playing Hoosier today I am working on my Mohawk Pk5 ticket but I have the races on while I handicap.

In Hoosiers first race Widger pulls the 7 way before the 1/4 pole and moves up quickly on the outside.

Warren who is sitting 2nd pulls out into Widger as Widger is a full half length up on him forcing Widger 3 wide but they never make contact with each other.

It is clear from the side view that Widger is at least half way up on Warren's horse and gaining ground when Warren pops the pocket.

The stewards have their token Inquiry and do nothing!

Why is Dave Magee giving Todd Warren special treatment?

Warren was ban from Hoosier until Dave got the job there.

I have no money involved in this public butt fucking yet I still feel violated by these criminal stewards.

I hope Mohawk is better.

[Bernie Madoff]

You need to be treated for your acute paranoia.

[swoodall]

You need to be treated for your acute paranoia.

Instead of coming out from under your rock to post try watching a few races first.

Everyone who watches and plays Hoosier knows this is true,

After Magee got the job all the Illinois crooks who were kicked out or not allowed in all got licenses.

Warren, Oosting, Rucker, Anderson.....with Johnny Roberts being the only one kept out.

Indiana racing has given a death sentence by allowing this to happen.

[zoot]

dave magee never drew a dishonest breath in his life. you are out of your fuckin mind.

maybe you'd like to still have dick "whats in it for me" desantis ?

[swoodall]

dave magee never drew a dishonest breath in his life. you are out of your fuckin mind.

maybe you'd like to still have dick "whats in it for me" desantis ?

You just disqualified yourself from this conversation about Magee.

If you want to stick to just comparing Magee to former Hoosier stewards then have it.

And in that comparison Magee still sucks and he lets these guys get away with shit that never use to happen.

The Hoosier stewards under Joe Gorajec were some of the best.

These stewards let drivers wait until the last second to pull out forcing the horse coming up on their outside to check up or move out 3 wide to avoid an accident and because no contact was made no disqualification is issued.
 

That is bullshit and another blackeye for the clowns being hired to protect the integrity of racing.

This is not an isolated incident it is a pattern of decisions where former drivers refuse to DQ current drivers unless an accident occurred.

Failure to loose ground on a break doesn't exist anymore.

Rules are nothing but lip service when there is no one willing to enforce them.

The more drivers keep getting away with reckless maneuvers the more they will attempt them and eventually someone is going to get hurt.

[horses first]

There are two other stewards and I'm sure they rank higher then Dave. Dave wasn't even qualified at the time to take that job three days after retiring from the bike. Went through the USTA certification and he isn't the head steward. So if your current bashing on the IN product IT went downhill WHEN IN gov was told to fire Joe....because horsemen complained he was to tough. Which Barry Irwin came to his defense at the time which didn't help but did cause and help raise the question WHY. So if you want to continue to trash the program that's a better place to start and then also add in the other two qualified stewards then the one that is a newbie with a few meet experience. 

[zoot]

You just disqualified yourself from this conversation about Magee.

If you want to stick to just comparing Magee to former Hoosier stewards then have it.

And in that comparison Magee still sucks and he lets these guys get away with shit that never use to happen.

The Hoosier stewards under Joe Gorajec were some of the best.

These stewards let drivers wait until the last second to pull out forcing the horse coming up on their outside to check up or move out 3 wide to avoid an accident and because no contact was made no disqualification is issued.
 

That is bullshit and another blackeye for the clowns being hired to protect the integrity of racing.

This is not an isolated incident it is a pattern of decisions where former drivers refuse to DQ current drivers unless an accident occurred.

Failure to loose ground on a break doesn't exist anymore.

Rules are nothing but lip service when there is no one willing to enforce them.

The more drivers keep getting away with reckless maneuvers the more they will attempt them and eventually someone is going to get hurt.

I disqualified myself    now I know you're a fuckin nut

[silent one]

There are two other stewards and I'm sure they rank higher then Dave. Dave wasn't even qualified at the time to take that job three days after retiring from the bike. Went through the USTA certification and he isn't the head steward. So if your current bashing on the IN product IT went downhill WHEN IN gov was told to fire Joe....because horsemen complained he was to tough. Which Barry Irwin came to his defense at the time which didn't help but did cause and help raise the question WHY. So if you want to continue to trash the program that's a better place to start and then also add in the other two qualified stewards then the one that is a newbie with a few meet experience. 

 I am in complete agreement with almost your entire post. The only thing I have a problem with is Anderson, Rucker, And Warren were allowed back in, in the Maggot's  first year as a steward. Coincidence? I think not.


        Sincerely, Silent One

[swoodall]

I disqualified myself    now I know you're a fuckin nut

You wanna vouch for a horseman's moral character that's your business but there are plenty of guys who know more than you.

[horses first]

Well S One...if you want to go by a timeline that is well and good...I'm not arguing that but more to the issue that really Dave, the novice and lowest on the totem pole arranged this whole thing to bring in so called banished cheaters to Hoosier? All by himself running some con on all the people higher then him? That Rucker and Anderson still race more then at Hoosier while at Hawthorne...while both had raced at Pocono over the last few years. I doubt Dave has made some deal with the devil to have these guys have their way at Hoosier. May be Steve has proof of his claims and is the mastermind behind it all?

[swoodall]

There are two other stewards and I'm sure they rank higher then Dave. Dave wasn't even qualified at the time to take that job three days after retiring from the bike. Went through the USTA certification and he isn't the head steward. So if your current bashing on the IN product IT went downhill WHEN IN gov was told to fire Joe....because horsemen complained he was to tough. Which Barry Irwin came to his defense at the time which didn't help but did cause and help raise the question WHY. So if you want to continue to trash the program that's a better place to start and then also add in the other two qualified stewards then the one that is a newbie with a few meet experience. 

Of course Magee is not the head steward but are you telling me he wouldn't lobby for his fellow Illinois horsemen to be given another chance to race in Indiana?

Way worse than Oosting or Warren is P'Pool being given another license in Indiana.

I agree with Silent One and think he put it best.

The timing is very suspicious.

[swoodall]

BTW the whole point of singling out Magee was his image of purity and the changes that have taken place in Indiana.

There is no way that it's coincidence that as more former drivers become stewards the less infractions have ended up in disqualifications .

There clearly is a effort to water down the rules and insert as many gray areas as possible to give the stewards enough wiggle room to claim no violation occurred.


Nobody can trust what the stewards will decide anymore from race to race much less from track to track.

[horses first]

Yeah the timing three days into getting the job and probably hadn't finished the USTA certification. Your conspiracy you prove it Steve. Easy to throw stones from afar. But let's say IN which has gone through many types of phases before, during and after that time frame.  First overage of Amish breeding of bad horses. Plenty of changes to a sire program. A surge in the Ohio program. The lost of drivers/A few drivers being thrown out, the whole Anti histamine overages that got sweep four summers ago, to less breeding in IN, to having a few years back... a on the horizon horse shortage with Ohio going full blast. INDIANA HAS BEEN TAKING EVERYONE because buyers where chasing elsewhere. But hey Steve you must have ALL the info so please share.

I will agree with Zoot on Dave...with being off the track as a family man loving his kids and getting all six through college and into careers.... NOT in racing. Keeping them away from the track and not many career horsemen generations can say that. He has tried some things away from the track that didn't turn into a homerun. So he is tarnishing his racing career by helping TW? Hmm! Everyone man or women have a list of sins because not one person IS perfect. I'm sure Dave had a rep during his driving days in the 80's and 90's. There are always whispers and sure some are true. But hey look in the mirror unless your that perfect person!

[swoodall]

Well S One...if you want to go by a timeline that is well and good...I'm not arguing that but more to the issue that really Dave, the novice and lowest on the totem pole arranged this whole thing to bring in so called banished cheaters to Hoosier? All by himself running some con on all the people higher then him? That Rucker and Anderson still race more then at Hoosier while at Hawthorne...while both had raced at Pocono over the last few years. I doubt Dave has made some deal with the devil to have these guys have their way at Hoosier. May be Steve has proof of his claims and is the mastermind behind it all?

You make yourself look like Rudy Giuliani counselor when you call your Hall of Fame client a "novice".

Lobbyist work by their itsy bitsy selves all the time in influencing entire governments.

Magee I believe is one of a total of three decision makers?

Again the timeline is undeniable and the results have been shameful.

[LUCPARK]

DOES ANY BODY LOSE A RACE WITH DIGNITY ANY MORE