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Gural allows Hall (who testified) to race at Big M
« on: February 03, 2022, 02:25:16 PM »
https://harnesslink.com/usa/meadowlands-statement-on-owner-trainer-named-in-fishman-trial/

Meadowlands President Jeff Gural made the following statement on the issue. “We disagree with the USTA decision, and we applaud Ms. Hall for coming forward.
“To penalize those who testify for the prosecution will only serve to further the already existing notion that “saying something will only lead to problems for yourself”. It will discourage the type of participation necessary to convict the indicted persons, as Ms. Hall’s testimony has helped on this case.

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2022, 02:31:11 PM »
Gural has the list of trainers who bought products, let’s hop he publishes it

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Re: Gural allows Hall (who testified) to race at Big M
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2022, 03:13:34 PM »
 The biggest hypocrite in harness racing, Jeff Gural, has shown you his true colors. He SAYS he wants to get rid of the horse dopers, BUT a scumbag ADMITS IN FEDERAL COURT to doping horses, and now it's ok? As for this so-called list of trainers, do any of you fools think the hypocrite is going to publish it when TWO of his employees are most likely on that list? Time to defund the Pig M.

     Sincerely, Silent One

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2022, 03:30:10 PM »
Love him or hate him Jeff Gural is very accessible. I’ve had many conversations with him at Tioga Downs over the years. I just wrote him to see if he would publish the last of rouge trainers, stay tuned.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2022, 03:31:37 PM »
The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily".  She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution.  If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her.  She only testified to save her own skin.  She is no martyr.  Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track.  This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.       

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2022, 04:23:12 PM »
The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily".  She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution.  If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her.  She only testified to save her own skin.  She is no martyr.  Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track.  This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.     

Great point


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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2022, 04:39:28 PM »
The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily".  She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution.  If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her.  She only testified to save her own skin.  She is no martyr.  Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track.  This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.     
I guess you have to take the lesser of two evils. Giving this woman a walk to rat out the co-defendants is common. But to understand Gural's position is not so common. He is justifying giving her the same privilege's as people who have not been pinched and flipped.
 I would think the NJ Racing Commission will revoke her license.
 
 Nothing is ever black and white in this game.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2022, 05:03:58 PM »
She should not be rewarded with being allowed to race immediately after her testimony.  It's contrary to what he is trying to do which is get rid of the cheaters.
Allowing her to race after that testimony is mind boggling.  Her reward was staying out of jail and not being prosecuted.  She did not come forward voluntarily but under the threat of prosecution.  Big difference     

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2022, 05:04:43 PM »
Gurals decision here seems highly political.
Anyone who admits they used doping agents-even bragging about them-deserves to have licence revoked.
if Gural has the list-and the same PED drugs that this woman used-then ANYONE who purchased them on Fishmans list--should suffer the same consequences.
Perhaps Gural knows something-( the "list" contains trainers racing at the big M?) and is keeping it quiet-so he can keep  going on his selective banning road.

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Re: Gural allows Hall (who testified) to race at Big M
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2022, 05:15:23 PM »
What about Hall's partner Juan Cano, not even a mention?

Letting the cheating Rat race is unconscionable

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2022, 06:09:12 PM »
Cano was the hottest trainer on the planet last summer

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Re: Gural allows Hall (who testified) to race at Big M
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2022, 07:42:42 PM »
if you look like she does.. let her do whatever she wants
you cant lose if you dont bet

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Re: Gural allows Hall (who testified) to race at Big M
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2022, 05:04:56 AM »
Is Gural risking his state subsidy? 

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2022, 11:52:41 AM »
Gurals decision here seems highly political.
Anyone who admits they used doping agents-even bragging about them-deserves to have licence revoked.
if Gural has the list-and the same PED drugs that this woman used-then ANYONE who purchased them on Fishmans list--should suffer the same consequences.
Perhaps Gural knows something-( the "list" contains trainers racing at the big M?) and is keeping it quiet-so he can keep  going on his selective banning road.

This is a fair point.  Interesting to see who else is going to testify in the Allard and Surick trials and whether or not they are given the same pass (caught on wiretaps) and  and based on their Association if they are disciplined.  NJ as the licensing body should hold a hearing and rescind her license if that is called for.  To not even have a hearing about it or call her in and ask for an explanation?  Really?  If her license is suspended and she has been given time to reflect on her actions she can reapply.  To just go on business as usual and make her a Martyr makes no sense.  Love how the Pawlick Report headline on her story says she is an Owner.  That might be true but the issue is not her being an Owner and being allowed to race but her being the TRAINER.  She personally administered the products acting as the TRAINER.           

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2022, 12:08:20 PM »
This is a fair point.  Interesting to see who else is going to testify in the Allard and Surick trials and whether or not they are given the same pass (caught on wiretaps) and  and based on their Association if they are disciplined.  NJ as the licensing body should hold a hearing and rescind her license if that is called for.  To not even have a hearing about it or call her in and ask for an explanation?  Really?  If her license is suspended and she has been given time to reflect on her actions she can reapply.  To just go on business as usual and make her a Martyr makes no sense.  Love how the Pawlick Report headline on her story says she is an Owner.  That might be true but the issue is not her being an Owner and being allowed to race but her being the TRAINER.  She personally administered the products acting as the TRAINER.           

What ????  You are expecting State commissions to do something ????   

 

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