BURKE/WEAVER ACTUALLY HURTING THE SPORT

[Open bridle]

need luck on yearlings, Seaside yearlings so far have been better than other stallions

they have their share of yearlings that don't perform, everyone does

feel free to put your own people and money together, select a trainer, and out-do them, it's a free sport

I do own a seaside. That why I kept track of all the seasides at each stable for the fun of it. Burke not only picked seasilk which was medium priced , but almost all his 15 or so except a few are still performing well. Whereas brown's stable had selected about 20  2020 seaside yearlings but hasn't had close to Burkes  success except for gulf shores and a few others. There are bunch load of other high priced seasides from other stables haven't done well either. There's got to be more than luck involved to be that successful at picking yearlings.

[Brown jug]

got it kole
thank you for clarifying

[Babinga]

last I heard they haven't won the Hambletonian

For completeness, ONLY because What the Hill was disqualified for interference causing Guardian Angel AS to break in 2017.  Perfect Spirit was declared the winner.

I expect Burke will get his Hambo before he retires.

[augustaandy]

There's got to be more than luck involved to be that successful at picking yearlings.

there's so many high priced yearlings that don't come close to earning their yearling price tags, there were 2 trotting yearlings that cost over a million (check for their pictures on milk cartons in your fridge), and numerous recent yearling tax losses

there's a lot of luck involved

Ron works hard and they have a great operation but they are disciplined buyers at the yearling auctions, you can always outbid them but it's difficult to outwork them!

[horses first]

Burke found the keys to the car many years ago be big enough and classify the horses correctly. Get as many open horses and enter across the state lines at multiple tracks. Buy yearlings with 3 other partners have 25% ownership on everything. Be too big to fail and the powers to be will let you roll on. On those yearlings you get a couple that are champions that get syndicated and gets you years of extra buying power that 95% of other trainers can't get you. Is it right it's up for debate but nobody else has found those keys

[Harness racer]

No one is arguing that this is capitalism at it's finest.  The point was that not all capitalism is good for everything.  They are driving owners out of the business and it's not good for the overall well being of racing.  This being said, you have the option to join them, beat them or walk away. 

[seen2much]

Lou Pena was on his way to 100 horses & was stopped. No positives for Lou & he pointed that out. Burke has had many positives & was allowed to keep expanding.
Allard had a big stable & got arrested. Why are there different rules for Burke?
Dowse & many others are ridiculous at Yonkers Raceway. I think the cheating is as bad or worse 2 years after the arrests.

[Harness racer]

Lou Pena was on his way to 100 horses & was stopped. No positives for Lou & he pointed that out. Burke has had many positives & was allowed to keep expanding.
Allard had a big stable & got arrested. Why are there different rules for Burke?
Dowse & many others are ridiculous at Yonkers Raceway. I think the cheating is as bad or worse 2 years after the arrests.

Dowse and Spacc are just rubbing in the publics face.  Much like Lou used to do.  Burke does not train anywhere near the percentage of this eras biggest juicers.  Not saying Burke doesn't have his own magic potions, but he uses them in the right spots.  He flies under the radar and clearly doesn't brag about what he uses like these other morons.

[COUNSELOR]

THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT THE INVESTORS BUYING THE HORSES BUT THE TRACKS AND THE COMMISSIONS THAT LET MULTIPLE ENTRIES IN EVEN OVER NIGHT RACES.  NO FOOL WOULD BET THESE RACES AS THE TRAINERS AND OWNERS DEFINITELY KNOW WHO CAN AND WHO CANNOT WIN THESE RACES.  THEREFORE, BLAME THE INDUSTRY AGAIN FOR THE FAILURE TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE SPORT.

ANYONE CAN BUY OR SELL HORSES BUT TO HAVE 5 IN A RACE BY A TRAINER IS A JOKE AND DEFINITELY HURTS THE SPORT.   AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE TO THE INVESTORS WHO BUY THE HORSES BUT THE TRACKS AND COMMISSION WHO LET THEM RACE UNCOUPLED AS SEPARATE BETTING INTEREST.  HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN RACING WAS GOING GREAT?  I THINK NOT.

DIFFERENT SPORT IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A SPORT.  PAST THE POINT OF SALVATION TODAY AS WE SEE  IT.

[dinkadoo]

WHEN DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH

A rare good topic that has not turned into men blowing other men.

Question --- when do they have enough ?

If you took a poll, I would think that most believe that in the future, which could 2,3,5,10 years that decoupling is going to happen. When it does, everything crashes. Purses, breeding industry, and ability to make money although still most do not.

Burke is gonna get all he can, continue to get all he can, because there may be a point there will not be anything to get. I see drivers like Merriman. Love him or hate him. If he's smart he has two banks stashed with cash from all the drives and wins he has had.... He's one bad accident or a industry that could falter from having his career taken away..

[The Exporter]

You may be right, Dink. I see the greatest threat to racing is the state. For the past 2 years, state coffers have been filled with Federal grants. I see many states spending this money in any way they can. Most have been filling their educational budgets with one shots from the fed.
 So, in the next two years, how will they be able to continue this level of spending? Where will the money come from? Not the Feds. Raising taxes in a down turn economy with double digit inflation is political suicide.
 Decoupling will have greater support by both parties in the near future. Not to mention the changing cultural powers. All in all, racing better start making better use of the slot money real soon. 

[Lance]

A rare good topic that has not turned into men blowing other men.

 

[Superfecta]

Racing was popular many years ago. It isn't anymore. No reason to just piss away money to a bunch of cheating degenerates to keep it going. Blockbuster was popular and had a nice run too. Race without the welfare money.

[augustaandy]

Racing was popular many years ago. It isn't anymore. No reason to just piss away money to a bunch of cheating degenerates to keep it going. Blockbuster was popular and had a nice run too. Race without the welfare money.

without the slot stipend most people couldn't afford to race

[Superfecta]

without the slot stipend most people couldn't afford to race

That’s just too bad. Enough with the handouts.