No more racing on lasix

[bond]

From what Ive seen o's-they treat horses differently to protect their lungs.
No Lasix--will sort the men from the boys ie drug users from real horsemen.

[Kirbys Ace]

No Lasix will cut down on what it mask. Be a lot less gutting and front-end drivers will suffer.

[Harness Horseman]

I always thought lasix possibly masked the presence of other drugs in the system of horses

it's getting interesting now

Name one tough guy. Bet you cant

[Emperor Dapple]

Name one tough guy. Bet you cant

i'm curious too.. Can it mask other drugs ?

[bond]

No Lasix does NOT mask any drugs--total fabrication.
It does however lower potassium levels explained to me while oseas-and add to dehydration problems especially in hot weather. There is also some evidence it may be a cause of bone issues-because Lasix flushes out calcium-so you get bone demineralization and increased fractures. USA does seem to have more horses breaking down than anywhere else on earth.
The biggest problem by far however-is the appearance of racing horses on drugs. Cant tell you how many times I heard that while in the UK--its frowned upon everywhere except in USA-where the administration of drugs is actually advocated--you hear that from the current administration and people like Joe Faraldo and owners who employ "juice" trainers.
If it was a health issue and was absolutely necessary--i would be onboard as no one wants to see horses abused.
However thousands of horses race everyday--with no Lasix-and do just fine. Its NOT needed-and as an owner--I would have no problems racing horses without Lasix.

[Racing Troll]

Let's eliminate 75 % of the aged overnight racing and  race only 2 3 and some 4 year olds and the lasix problem will be solved might as well get rid of all overnight  events to be sure we don't punish any horses. Or just end the sport that will make losers like Mike happy since he can't participate  no one else  should be either

[Uncle Harry]

Let's eliminate 75 % of the aged overnight racing and  race only 2 3 and some 4 year olds and the lasix problem will be solved might as well get rid of all overnight  events to be sure we don't punish any horses. Or just end the sport that will make losers like Mike happy since he can't participate  no one else  should be either

Since I only race steak hosses,I agree do away with the cheap stock and increase steak purses breeders will approve as well,should have done this years ago

[Parked]

Since I only race steak hosses,I agree do away with the cheap stock and increase steak purses breeders will approve as well,should have done this years ago

Are steak horses akin to stake horses??.

[JOHN FRANK]

JOHN FRANK ARMY from the TB side.
Been around bettin for 40 years. The subject be LASIX right. My main tracks to follow were always CHICAGO tracks. I have played others but seldom. Reason for that is a indidual is a fool bettin tryin to beat all diferent tacks. I've WON money in what I call simplistic bets,you people would not bet them. PIC 6'S,place alls. Won them bettin between $12.00 and $16.00 dollars on single bet. NO others. Ya know why? I was there every day and watched every race. When you live on track you can see everythin.
(1) MAIDENS are excellent to play. Both MSW and CLAIMERS. I'll tell you WHY!.
     Especially first time starters. Nothin more important than front wraps and blinks. If a chalk comes out front wrapped they stiffin him or her and then wait to second out and they off and price is higher. Blinks on in first start do not have to be announced in program. It important observin. Since most goin 6 and that improves speed. I was the one many years ago caught J.R.SMITH SR in older horses pullin blinks on and off after some races so he could SCORE big. I followed it for 4 months. I could have made a fortune. But JOHN FRANK ARMY protects bettors. So's after the last time J.R. comes upstaires and talkin with DAVE FELDMAN the famouse horse handicapper for the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES. JOHN FRANK ARMY comes up and says to DAVE,J.R. a FUCKIN cheat. Been followin his ponies and his HICH SCORE payouts. FELDMAN goes WHO THE FUC are you and don't be accussin. J'R' goes this crackbrain is full of SHIT. JOHN FRANK ARMY goes YOU NOTHIN BUT A FUCKIN cheat. I leaves. FELDMAN remembers. He head of BDH,BROKEN DOWN HORSEPLYERS defendin bettors. He watches J.R.S horses for a month and writes a long article. That BDH,JOHN FRANK was right. I've petioned the HRB that BLINKS on or OFF in older horses must be put in program. He took credit but it belonged to JFA.
OK. I lost train of thought. The subject LASIX. Lasix is necessary because ponies can bleed. Ever see many pulled up with them and jockey covered in BLOOD. I have. And they can bleed thru it. But when bettin follow the PP'S. You can read comments on a horse that not been on and looks terrible although not announced. Next time out they on and WIN. LASIX is NECESSARY.
JOHN FRANK ARMY done speakin. GOOD NIGHT. 

[McGIBBS]

Again. Talking out if your ass because you have zero legitimate argument. Can't participate? 
And yeah. Sorry. Lasix not only masks abuse. It is abuse. Fucking jackwagon. Learn something. Not a fucking clue. Proves you know NOTHING about a horse. Btw. Won't be long before a shitload of scumbags like you are either in prison or banned for life from the game. I am already laughing.

I would not be surprised that mike raced horses on salix as well so that makes him amongst the abusers as well but now that the game told him to go fuck himself he has become a holier than thou hater of all those who did the exact thing he did,he has seen the light and wants the sport to be disbanded by any means possible .I don't hate him for it but just pointing out the FACTS

[Emperor Dapple]

interesting article that came out this morning about Lasix..


https://paulickreport.com/horse-care-category/lasix-mythbusters-drug-masking-tco2-and-impact-on-racehorse-breakdowns/

[The Exporter]

"Dap, that was a fine read. Bottom line is, most believe Lasix will give you an edge. If a horse is 20-30 pounds lighter at race time, that may be an edge.
  You may not be old enough to have invented Lasix but, I know you remember what state was the last to allow same day use of Lasix. Yes, New York, 1995.
 The issue was much more of a Thoroughbred issue than anything else. NYRA was feeling the pressure of West Coast horses not coming for NY Stake races. I don't recall any harness racing effected on a large scale for lack of Lasix. Do you? 

[bond]

interesting article that came out this morning about Lasix..


https://paulickreport.com/horse-care-category/lasix-mythbusters-drug-masking-tco2-and-impact-on-racehorse-breakdowns/

Great article-thanks for posting!.
As was pointed out in the article-Lasix does its job by eliminating fluid and making the horse lighter. Most horses pee out about 15 -20 pounds of fluid--that helps make them a little faster. Ive read also that it reduces lung pressure-which wasn't mentioned--and this is what helps horses bleed less. However-all horses bleed--Lasix just helps them(some) bleed a little less. This is the benefit of Lasix. HOWEVER-it does mean the horses race on drugs--and while the horse racing fraternity may think this is all normal--the purists and crowds like animal rights activists who are becoming more and more powerful use this as a weapon to argue for the elimination of racing. Casinos and Politicians(most) also can use this as a weapon to cut down or eliminate racing.Ie they weaponize the use of Lasix to get what they want.
Here is some news--recent studies have shown that using Lasix even at 24 hours--helps with bleeding. Europeans use it 3 days out while training and it helps. The Lasix has long been eliminated but it still has an effect-so one could argue that no horses raced on "drugs" and it can be taken off the program.