Drop in handle concerns Big M management

[pocketrocketwinner]

This is exactly what wrong with this great site............ Innuendo/made up rumors and outright Lies.

Name me 1 harness track with more caw money, either % or whole numbers, in the pools than the Meadowlands.

[onabrake]

There are none. Meadowlands may as well be the stock market with the amount of cartel algorithm money that gets driven into the pools within 15 seconds of race close each and every race.

[pocketrocketwinner]

There are none. Meadowlands may as well be the stock market with the amount of cartel algorithm money that gets driven into the pools within 15 seconds of race close each and every race.

Undoubtedly. Now that caw play has been outed as taboo, player unfriendly, and increased substantially across the board, people like SAW will try to hide it and pretend it's all.lies

[SAW]

Undoubtedly. Now that caw play has been outed as taboo, player unfriendly, and increased substantially across the board, people like SAW will try to hide it and pretend it's all.lies

Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for

I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.

[pocketrocketwinner]

Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for

I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.

You missed the part when settlemoir and gural were so happy a few years ago to tell everyone about all this new "liquid" cartel action that agreed to? You know, that was going to help everyone by increasing the pools while giving them huge rebates in exchange fir volume? You seem intimately familiar with the track, maybe start asking some quations about thw caw's before you start talking bullshit? You really chap my ass. You know settlemoir cut the deal and now that it's knows to be player unfriendly, it all lies lies lies.

[wizardofoz]

Does anyone hear dabble in the stock market? It is no different.  The big corporations own the majority of many stocks and the little guy goes along with the rise and fall of that stock.  Without the corporations buying and selling, the stock market would never survive with the small investor.  Enjoy betting and watching the races instead of finding issues to knock harness tracks.  If you want harness tracks to close then why be here championing that? If somebody disliked something so much why even bother with it? Move on and enjoy something that gives you pleasure, not something that appears to make you upset. 

[Senator Blutarsky]

Does anyone hear dabble in the stock market? It is no different.  The big corporations own the majority of many stocks and the little guy goes along with the rise and fall of that stock.  Without the corporations buying and selling, the stock market would never survive with the small investor.  Enjoy betting and watching the races instead of finding issues to knock harness tracks.  If you want harness tracks to close then why be here championing that? If somebody disliked something so much why even bother with it? Move on and enjoy something that gives you pleasure, not something that appears to make you upset.

Once upon a time it made sense what you said regarding (Harness Track) fan loyalty is due or die, not the case anymore virtually anywhere.  Pompano  Park closed because a casino came in and when they bought off the legislatures, they could then operate without racing.  Slots make them money, more than Meadowlands and Mohawk combined kind of money.

Horsemen need a better lobby or all the tracks being held hostage by needing pari-mutual will topple soon.  Canada, well Mohawk survives on its own, other tracks not tied to casinos are subsidized by the Canadian govt, they actually all are to insure.

What you said about corps owning the stocks wrong too, see the list on this link (below) - It's Asset Management Firms, and those number you'll read are in the thousands of billions ya know trillions of dollars what each is holding in assets.

https://www.advratings.com/top-asset-management-firms

Your heart is in the right place my brother, but telling people to shut up and enjoy is a contradiction, if fans have a beef they should be heard, maybe overcome and co-exist and enjoy. 

You get a "D-" for facts but an "A" from the Race Tracks, and "C" from me for change is a coming, whether we like it or not.    

 

[The Exporter]

Nice rhetoric, Senator. You never mention the single greatest entity to success, the product and it's popularity. All the peripheral components don't mean squat, If you can't sell enough product to be profitable.
 When harness racing was the only choice for night time action, it was quite relevant. Now, well like they say, forgetaboutit. Most everyone else has.

[Superfecta]

Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for

I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.

You can keep your head in the sand and look like a bigger moron than you really are. It’s $1,000 per week jackass.

[Senator Blutarsky]

Nice rhetoric, Senator. You never mention the single greatest entity to success, the product and it's popularity. All the peripheral components don't mean squat, If you can't sell enough product to be profitable.
 When harness racing was the only choice for night time action, it was quite relevant. Now, well like they say, forgetaboutit. Most everyone else has.

That would be porn, dude, and it's free, where have you been, maybe not doing / getting enough of this (below)...fap one out, and come back and chill, opinions / predictions, sheesh no need to go scorched earth when someone's differs from yours and others.

 

 

[The Exporter]

Back up, Sparkey. I did say I never disagreed with anything you said. I only pointed out the elephant in the room. The product. No need to gaslight me with your masterbation obbsession.   

[Senator Blutarsky]

Back up, Sparkey. I did say I never disagreed with anything you said. I only pointed out the elephant in the room. The product. No need to gaslight me with your masterbation obbsession.   

And I don't disagree with you either, your thoughtful observation and analysis of the outcome.  The "product" I once LOVED put Walter Case Jr., on a 10-1 ml breaking piece of shit that lost the last 8 races that he actually finished by a combined 150 lengths and I witnessed magic.  Leave, break from the eight hole, recover, trot like a monster to the top and win for fun at fav or second choice.  Because we all knew, we believed in magic and wanted to be nowhere else.

I bring of Case because of his SYMBIOTIC relationship in a bike with his "lover", the horse and not in a sexual context, but the performance.  That symbiosis example is an analogy of what was mine and what was yours, and others once upon a time, and whatever else was going on was superfluous I just wanted to be there.

Case not in the hall of fame, and tracks closing, and blah blah blah and all led in this direction by sellouts but the worst perpetrators where the PERCEPTION police seeking blame --- fall guys, the fans.  To keep cover on their crimes, to cover up their inability to make something work (THAT IS BEAUTY TO US) and too busy conniving and cheating led to predators - casinos, developers, and the detriment to horses just worsening.  They never loved racing, just a means to a financial end and they're killing it, and keep killing it.

Maybe we'll make a difference, keep adapting, I dunno, but we're as mad as hell, and in the interim we got to focus and make money and enjoy too!   







 

[onabrake]

Bottom line with the cartel action is that the small time regular bettor is getting screwed out of price action each and every race. Add in the breakage ( Kentucky the only state to break to the penny) over time and all the nonsense talk of 15 % special exotics and 17-20% WPS/Exacta is not reality. Cannot remotely compare to sports betting and this is why the sports best days are far in the rear view mirror.

!0-12 % takeout should be standard across the board and payouts to the penny with today's technology.

[Senator Blutarsky]

Bottom line with the cartel action is that the small time regular bettor is getting screwed out of price action each and every race. Add in the breakage ( Kentucky the only state to break to the penny) over time and all the nonsense talk of 15 % special exotics and 17-20% WPS/Exacta is not reality. Cannot remotely compare to sports betting and this is why the sports best days are far in the rear view mirror.

!0-12 % takeout should be standard across the board and payouts to the penny with today's technology.

Excellent point, superstar caliber, seriously!    

[SAW]

You can keep your head in the sand and look like a bigger moron than you really are. It’s $1,000 per week jackass.

Seperfecta = A "conspiracy theorist" who will believe anything without a second thought, even if it is not based in reality whatsoever.
 
Calling me names does not make you less of a nut job