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Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« on: April 15, 2023, 01:45:47 AM »
To no one’s surprise, Tyler George is still winning at the same clip he was prior to stabling at the track. He is obviously not the cheater Hoosier Park or this forum at times unreasonably makes him out to be.

In my opinion, this whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Tyler is a great horseman who both enters his horses in competitive conditions and knows how to maximize a horse’s potential. I believe he’s one of the few trainers who can know more about your horse by watching them train once than you will know in a lifetime.

To force Tyler to stable at the track despite zero rules infringements or positive tests, while allowing clear inter-state cheaters like Erv to do what they please, is disgusting on behalf of Hoosier.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2023, 05:55:26 AM »
The man has great help, pays top wages and classifies his horses!!  As I said in another post, he has a pipeline of nice claiming  horses coming from the Wallach Brothers and a couple other Canadian owners!!  They usually do good and wind up getting claimed!!  Crusher Q, Tabooma, National Sport and Major Crocker all won and got claimed!!

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2023, 09:12:30 AM »
The man has great help, pays top wages and classifies his horses!!  As I said in another post, he has a pipeline of nice claiming  horses coming from the Wallach Brothers and a couple other Canadian owners!!  They usually do good and wind up getting claimed!!  Crusher Q, Tabooma, National Sport and Major Crocker all won and got claimed!!

The numbers don't lie.  if you look at the Ohio tracks, the standings cause the question.  The remark of top wages, great help and skilled condition selections might affect ranking.  however, is he 2 and 3 times better than the other trainers?  Burke, Virgil and others also have sharp training on above average horses, spend on vet work without hesitation and  enter correctly -  yet only show overall and win percentages as far below the man.  No one discounts whether the man is good.  what causes understood curiosity is ...  can he be that much better?

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2023, 01:49:30 PM »
Still winning? What have you been watching? He had more chalks get beat last week and caused carryovers and boxcar payoffs all week. He finally won a couple races this Friday but not batting anywhere near .400 for the last week. Again, when you got top level stock and your racing 30k claimers in for 20k (Major Croker A) and you have a nice horse like General Dolan in a race where the sure winner bleeds and the 1 horse makes a nasty break? Luck is a great thing but what about Ima real lady’s man? Claimed for 20k and dropped to 15k and off the board? Town Gossip lost and My Buddy Inkster SCRATCHED LAME and Ike’s Panther not entered? Not to mention horses like ER Sam claimed for 50k and off the board in a NW of $1000 last 4? Come on clearly things are not going good in that barn and def not STILL WINNING.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2023, 03:16:34 PM »

Lady's man had the 9 hole. paced a LQ 26 flat.
General dolan has never win a open pace
Town gossip was 1st up into speed paced 49:3 off of another trainer- you guys call a juicer
Maybe Tyler is just a great manager idk 🤷‍♂️
last but not least lucky is better than good

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2023, 04:04:59 PM »
The numbers don't lie.  if you look at the Ohio tracks, the standings cause the question.  The remark of top wages, great help and skilled condition selections might affect ranking.  however, is he 2 and 3 times better than the other trainers?  Burke, Virgil and others also have sharp training on above average horses, spend on vet work without hesitation and  enter correctly -  yet only show overall and win percentages as far below the man.  No one discounts whether the man is good.  what causes understood curiosity is ...  can he be that much better?


Think about it this way.  Burke- Virgil.  They all have a shit ton of horses racing.  Some really good ones and some really not good ones.  Tyler has 30... he picks the horses he wants to race and doesn't send the "NOT good ones" to the track on average.  When you have a barn full of both your average suffers because of it.  If you pick and choose and can only race the ones you WANT to instead of the ones that NEED to your numbers are going to suffer less.  Simple process really.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2023, 08:25:10 PM »
This is exactly right. Tyler rejects tons of horses. If your horse doesn't fit a Hoosier condition where he thinks they will be immediately competitive, he'll tell you to find another trainer, which I think is awesome. He's not money hungry, he's hungry to win races.

Using UDRS to call someone a cheater is inherently flawed, and picky trainers  like TG are particularly suspectible to being targeted by it. Burke will accept a horse with 3 legs if the owners are willing to pay the training bill. He could have a 0.400+ UDRS overnight by unloading some of the crap he's racing out east.


Think about it this way.  Burke- Virgil.  They all have a shit ton of horses racing.  Some really good ones and some really not good ones.  Tyler has 30... he picks the horses he wants to race and doesn't send the "NOT good ones" to the track on average.  When you have a barn full of both your average suffers because of it.  If you pick and choose and can only race the ones you WANT to instead of the ones that NEED to your numbers are going to suffer less.  Simple process really.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2023, 09:20:37 PM »
To no one’s surprise, Tyler George is still winning at the same clip he was prior to stabling at the track. He is obviously not the cheater Hoosier Park or this forum at times unreasonably makes him out to be.

In my opinion, this whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Tyler is a great horseman who both enters his horses in competitive conditions and knows how to maximize a horse’s potential. I believe he’s one of the few trainers who can know more about your horse by watching them train once than you will know in a lifetime.

To force Tyler to stable at the track despite zero rules infringements or positive tests, while allowing clear inter-state cheaters like Erv to do what they please, is disgusting on behalf of Hoosier.
Dude what track have you been watching? I like Tyler and he’s a great guy but he batted .192 last week and most of those horses were 6/5 or lower. Ain’t no way his numbers are anywhere near what they were before he stabled at the track. That in itself speaks volumes but I’m on your side. If they don’t make Erv stable at the track then he should sue Hoosier. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2023, 12:48:12 AM »
He is batting a .515 as of today.   The numbers are where they always are. Maybe higher.  He has days where he doesn't win, occasionally he won't even get checks. It happens, but then the horses drop back down a class or two and crush. Still pretty simple to figure out.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2023, 01:27:19 AM »
He is batting a .515 as of today.   The numbers are where they always are. Maybe higher.  He has days where he doesn't win, occasionally he won't even get checks. It happens, but then the horses drop back down a class or two and crush. Still pretty simple to figure out.
Only if you average the entire meet to date but if you average the days when he didn’t stable at the track it was around .600 compared to .192 since he’s stabled at the track. It’s wrong fir making him stable at the track but he does not average nearly what he normally does when he isn’t stabled at the track. Numbers don’t lie. But he got screwed over and if they do not make Erv Miller who just had a hot test at M1 stable at the track, then Tyler George should sue this shit out of them. It’s not right to do that the horseman’s association should get together and boycott the box until they release Tyler from detention or make others like Erv Miller come to the track too.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2023, 01:39:50 AM »
Only if you average the entire meet to date but if you average the days when he didn’t stable at the track it was around .600 compared to .192 since he’s stabled at the track. It’s wrong fir making him stable at the track but he does not average nearly what he normally does when he isn’t stabled at the track. Numbers don’t lie. But he got screwed over and if they do not make Erv Miller who just had a hot test at M1 stable at the track, then Tyler George should sue this shit out of them. It’s not right to do that the horseman’s association should get together and boycott the box until they release Tyler from detention or make others like Erv Miller come to the track too.

He was stabled at the track 2 weeks BEFORE the meet opened.  I don't get where your numbers are coming from. 600 before and 192 since?  The horses have  been there then entire meet to date as you phrased it

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2023, 02:18:58 AM »
He was stabled at the track 2 weeks BEFORE the meet opened.  I don't get where your numbers are coming from. 600 before and 192 since?  The horses have  been there then entire meet to date as you phrased it
If his numbers are the same then why complain about stabling at the track. He is too pissed off if it did t matter. The other night in the paddock walking around with a sour look on his face. If it doesn’t matter then just stay at the track and bat .600 either way and enjoy it. He gets to save mo eye on stall rent too

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2023, 06:00:55 AM »
If his numbers are the same then why complain about stabling at the track. He is too pissed off if it did t matter. The other night in the paddock walking around with a sour look on his face. If it doesn’t matter then just stay at the track and bat .600 either way and enjoy it. He gets to save mo eye on stall rent too


Who WANTS to stable at that place???   Dark ass SMALL stalls like being in a cave.   He has a brand new barn with large stalls,  a wheel, and fields.  Some people don't mind spending money for comfort.   Not to mention limited track hours, no washer and dryers, 1 bath stall per 30 stalls, no grass anywhere, constant construction sounds making your horses always on edge, people (security) walking through the barns at night that turn on the lights and can't grasp the basic concept of turning them off.  #1- PRIVACY.  Being at the track is like living in college housing with 98 roommates. Hard pass for a lot of people.

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2023, 11:54:52 AM »
Hopple Burns, General Dolan did win an Open Pace before!  It was at Miami Valley 2 years ago, with Brandon Bates driving!  He's never won one at HP until Friday!!  It sure as hell surprised the hell out of me!! At 3, he drew into the same division as Always A Prince every Stake race that season!!  Of course, he never was close!!

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Re: Tyler George Still Winning - Duh
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2023, 03:34:00 PM »

Who WANTS to stable at that place???   Dark ass SMALL stalls like being in a cave.   He has a brand new barn with large stalls,  a wheel, and fields.  Some people don't mind spending money for comfort.   Not to mention limited track hours, no washer and dryers, 1 bath stall per 30 stalls, no grass anywhere, constant construction sounds making your horses always on edge, people (security) walking through the barns at night that turn on the lights and can't grasp the basic concept of turning them off.  #1- PRIVACY.  Being at the track is like living in college housing with 98 roommates. Hard pass for a lot of people.
If he’s batting the same then why complain. Tyler himself can go to his beautiful home and enjoy his privacy and come to the track to race his horses and still bat .600. See how easy that is? So all the bs of being stabled at the track won’t bother him at all because he is free to go to his home and come to the track whenever he wants since he’s batting the same average either way, there is no inconvenience either way. You said the contraction noises and no washer and dryer but he’s still batting the same so why bother. Stay at the track and live on their money. Sounds good to me as long as he’s doing just as good. But I KNOW HIS AVERAGE ISNT CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN HE WAS STABLED AT THE FARM. JUST OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK. He is being singled out and treated unfairly tho. Just make it fair for everyone. Bring in Erv Miller too
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