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Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« on: June 26, 2023, 09:26:06 PM »
I saw the article that Its My Show will not supplement to the M. P.
Their stated reasons are very valid.
Here’s my question, Mr. Gural who constantly complains about wanting the best horses, drivers & trainers racing there, then why not give the winner of what probably is the premiere race for 3 yo p.c. a free buy into the M.P.  if there not eligible. He’s constantly going on about horsemen racing their best there.
 Nice job Canada on making the Cup arguably the top 3 pc race.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2023, 09:29:48 PM by White Rabbit »

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2023, 10:01:15 PM »
sorry but it doesn't work that way
if you don't have the stones to put up the sustaining payments like everyone else than the buy in must be a significant premium
not gural's fault the owner didn't keep him eligible or decide not to supplement
we would all like to see best on  best in the big races but there is an economic side to it as well m\

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2023, 10:43:32 PM »
Im with jug on this. Never happen and makes no sense. Be the end of need for supplementation and would undermine future of Pace. Many would wait to see what they have first and save fees. Then if you had a likely winner expect automatac freebie. Is there a never ending quest for welfare money. Not to mention  plenty of nice horses still going; including confederate.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2023, 11:21:33 PM »
I mean I could see wanting the the N.A Cup winner there but I can also say u just won just under a half mill U.S money if you want to race for the big bucks do it like everyone else

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2023, 07:35:35 AM »
Supplemental entries favor the big owners.  There is a number where financially you are better off not paying the never ending payments and supplement if you get a great horse. 
I stopped paying into stakes that have the supplement eligibility a long time ago. 
Pay your money and take your chances. 

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2023, 07:45:19 AM »
M.P. is not the premier race it once was. You wouldn’t be giving free b’s away because only one horse assuming no dead heat gets in.
Most of the top 2 yr old studs from last year are eligible to both NC & MP.
Last but not least this is a rare occurrence, a gelding won the NC.
The industry needs a little vision here. Stop with the welfare comments, that’s a little played out now

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2023, 11:31:09 AM »
Luv to see him there but not sure how this isnt about free $ for me.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2023, 11:37:33 AM »
Should not be allowed to supplement, agree if ya don't have the stones to put it up front, ya should be watching like the rest of us. I don't think you should be able to supplement to any stake races, why ante up the cash when ya can just buy in later.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2023, 12:13:35 PM »
Would be a much nicer Pace though wouldnt it? I still like pelling closer Confederate but the NACup winner brings his best every start and should not be underestimated in very very least.  And i wouldnt want to bet my last $ on confederate to beat  Its My Show. Toscanno barn is well regarded by a lot of us commoner fans and is industry conscious - not such a bad thing for us that enjoy the industry, right?

I dont know Mr Gural personally, but based just on social and print media; like most successful buisnessmen seems pretty generous with his $. Might do it.  ngc3

Tell Jeff the duke has changed his mind and now supports the concept on a one time only basis. I trust he'll give that support the consideration it warrants.  ngc3

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2023, 02:09:38 PM »
It’s not about free money, there’s no guarantee Show would win. It’s about making the most competitive race possible, which give’s Meadowlands the best opportunity to have the best wagering possible. You don’t think it’s a better betting race if all the top horses make the final.
Just because you give the winner of the Cup a buy doesn’t mean he makes the final. Betting public wants to the best throw down.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2023, 02:46:19 PM »
It’s about making the most competitive race possible, which give’s Meadowlands the best opportunity to have the best wagering possible.
BUT, is it fair to the owner that made the payments to be knocked out by an owner that didn't make the payments?
I am just an old horse trainer still going around in circles. Sometimes Fast. Sometimes Half-Fast.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2023, 02:57:55 PM »
Do they really have the best horse then.
Bert Hanover , Niatross , SBSW all took on all comers.
My perspective is putting together the best race possible.
The MP is not the premier race it was under the DeFrank era.
In that era , time almost everyone made their 3pc eligible, because it was such a high profile race.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2023, 03:08:24 PM »
Do they really have the best horse then.
Bert Hanover , Niatross , SBSW all took on all comers.
My perspective is putting together the best race possible.
The MP is not the premier race it was under the DeFrank era.
In that era , time almost everyone made their 3pc eligible, because it was such a high profile race.

Under the gural regime, almost everyone races in the amatuers

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2023, 08:49:41 PM »
Do they really have the best horse then.
 
My perspective is putting together the best race possible.

IMVHO
Just because you may be the best shouldn't mean you get a free ride.
The may be the best truck driver still needs to pay his way by paying for a CDL.
The may be the best fisherman still needs to buy a fishing license.
No offense intented
JMVHO
« Last Edit: June 27, 2023, 08:52:34 PM by Meadow Ford »
I am just an old horse trainer still going around in circles. Sometimes Fast. Sometimes Half-Fast.

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Re: Meadowlands Pace Supplement
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2023, 08:57:52 PM »
To all the other owners that paid the staking fees or would have supplemented when supplemental payment was due. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY should this ever be considered. Pay to play, or pack up and go home.
Pay to Play, Play to Win!

 

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