Gural vs Alagna

[Generation XYZ]

It’s never happened, once the suspension is final and he or whoever , is given days every state suspends the person. If what you’re asserting is correct then post one instant when this occurs.If a driver gets days from a commission they can’t driver in any other state or CD, same applies to trainers.
His days have not started yet.

Bigger picture is the appeal was erroneously withdrawn, and was effectively entered on the docket. Therefore the NJRC must take NO action and uphold the appeal, as it was originally filed. But to counter your contention. States DO NOT have reciprocal agreements. They can elect to not accept entries, or imposed rulings based on other states rulings. But, this grey area is easily challenged in common pleas, and magisterial courts.

[Generation XYZ]

It’s never happened, once the suspension is final and he or whoever , is given days every state suspends the person. If what you’re asserting is correct then post one instant when this occurs.If a driver gets days from a commission they can’t driver in any other state or CD, same applies to trainers.
His days have not started yet.

You want an example??? Bob Baffert, Racing in NJ, MD, NY, CA...Suspended in KY... Case in point. A more highly reputed case. So yes if in fact the suspension was reinstated in NJ he could still be racing in KY.  YOUR WELCOME!

[Ohracing]

You want an example??? Bob Baffert, Racing in NJ, MD, NY, CA...Suspended in KY... Case in point. A more highly reputed case. So yes if in fact the suspension was reinstated in NJ he could still be racing in KY.  YOUR WELCOME!

There is not one state that doesn't do reciprocating suspension.  Find one example.  The Baffert example isn't a state racing commission suspension it is a Churchill Downs suspension.  That is why he is racing in other states.  Canada also will have him suspended.

[Mailbox Money]

For the positive Burke has gotten he has not raced, his brother goes down as trainer. Happened earlier in the year this year or at the end of last year. There are no exceptions for it.
Just checked Mickey Jr was down in Dec 22, 33 starts 5 wins- 6 seconds

I'm aware of that.I  was eluding to the fact that he is a habitual offender due the # he has had thru the years. The size of the operation has no bearing on rules yet it is the first excuse his proponents offer! I don't have any ill will towards the Burkes but the favoritism makes me sick 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[White Rabbit]

Again incorrect. Once he starts his days from the Kentucky Racing Commission he will be suspended in ever jurisdiction. Churchhill is exercising their private property right.

[White Rabbit]

Take a few and do a little research. He’s talking it to civil court.

[theokodjak26]

Wow I started this thread and only wanted to know if Gural would ban Alagna. I still don’t know but feel bad about all the hostilities. It again shows me how badly we need one set of rules that everyone can understand. And we need a clear and strong set of rules in regard to respecting racing jurisdictions honoring each other’s rulings. I mean we don’t even have a consistent pylon infraction rule from state to state. If all racing jurisdictions really want to kick the cheaters in their butts then stop talking and start acting to protect our sport, the fans and the honest trainers who are trying to make ends meet.

[Generation XYZ]

Wow I started this thread and only wanted to know if Gural would ban Alagna. I still don’t know but feel bad about all the hostilities. It again shows me how badly we need one set of rules that everyone can understand. And we need a clear and strong set of rules in regard to respecting racing jurisdictions honoring each other’s rulings. I mean we don’t even have a consistent pylon infraction rule from state to state. If all racing jurisdictions really want to kick the cheaters in their butts then stop talking and start acting to protect our sport, the fans and the honest trainers who are trying to make ends meet.

Agreed. White Rabbit thinks hes an arm chair lawyer. Those of us that actually practice know have the civil courts work. they TRUMP the racing judges. No pun intended...

[White Rabbit]

If you know the civil court then you would know that the private property exclusion has been taken to court and each time it’s been ruled in favor of the track.
2 when you fight a racing violation, at least as far as harness racing, then you would know just because a civil court rules in your favor doesn’t mean that when it goes back to the commission for review that the commission is going to go with what the court found. Case in point the Charlie May decision. But am sure you have taken a few race commissions to court Obi Won

[Fuguzzi]

So fellow Ploppers what is Gural going to do with Tony Alagna, 3rd biggest trainer earner in 2023, now that Alagna put an end to one of his appeals for drugging?

https://ustrottingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Rulings-08252023.pdf

gabapentin is used to treat seizure like maladies such as epilepsy and can cause dizziness or drowsiness. Why would a talented trainer like Alagna give this to a racehorse?

[SeattleSlew]

gabapentin is used to treat seizure like maladies such as epilepsy and can cause dizziness or drowsiness. Why would a talented trainer like Alagna give this to a racehorse?

According to this it is used to treat "musculoskeletal" PAIN.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31980368/

[Parked]

Wow I started this thread and only wanted to know if Gural would ban Alagna. I still don’t know but feel bad about all the hostilities. It again shows me how badly we need one set of rules that everyone can understand. And we need a clear and strong set of rules in regard to respecting racing jurisdictions honoring each other’s rulings. I mean we don’t even have a consistent pylon infraction rule from state to state. If all racing jurisdictions really want to kick the cheaters in their butts then stop talking and start acting to protect our sport, the fans and the honest trainers who are trying to make ends meet.

You must realize by now most racing jurisdictions don’t care.  Horse racing filled their coffers for years but now its the casinos. 

[Generation XYZ]

According to this it is used to treat "musculoskeletal" PAIN.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31980368/

its a nerve blocking agent that over time is used to dull pain.

[Harness Stats]

gabapentin is used to treat seizure like maladies such as epilepsy and can cause dizziness or drowsiness. Why would a talented trainer like Alagna give this to a racehorse?

Gabapentin is the drug that Manchego had in her when she got disqualified at Scioto in 2019.  That decision was later overturned as levels were proved to be under the threshold but apparently it's used often in racehorses. I've seen a bunch of other fines,  suspensions etc for it.

[Poker King]

Maybe I am misreading this, however it seems as though the appeal by Alagna was reinstated and that the actions are stayed?

You are not reading it wrong. Alagna reinstated his appeal so he can continue to race. If he is suspended in NJ he would be suspended in ALL jurisdictions.