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Re: Gural vs Alagna
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2023, 01:00:45 PM »
Gabapentin is the drug that Manchego had in her when she got disqualified at Scioto in 2019.  That decision was later overturned as levels were proved to be under the threshold but apparently it's used often in racehorses. I've seen a bunch of other fines,  suspensions etc for it.

True. But even at high levels the drug does not work immediately, its a build up. It takes time to work and has to take effect over time.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2023, 01:05:07 PM »
That is correct, there is reciprocity between the states and Canada. When he finally takes his days, you won't see his name down anywhere. I can tell you from a previous personal experience. Just like Greg Peck. If his stable in NJ is licensed he won't be able to step foot on the property. Believe me.

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2023, 01:58:12 PM »
True. But even at high levels the drug does not work immediately, its a build up. It takes time to work and has to take effect over time.
In a recent study it was determined that Gabapentin does NOT provide any therapeutic or neurological effects to the equine athlete. If I  remember correctly, the study was commissioned by a rash of positives in Kentucky. It should pop right up if you Google it!

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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2023, 02:04:10 PM »
In a recent study it was determined that Gabapentin does NOT provide any therapeutic or neurological effects to the equine athlete. If I  remember correctly, the study was commissioned by a rash of positives in Kentucky. It should pop right up if you Google it!
Yeah, it seems as if it's pain killing attributes are rather mild. Not really what it is know for. Good thing I retired   LOL

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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2023, 03:43:55 PM »
Doctor’s prescribed gabapentin for the excruciating pain my wife suffered from shingles. 

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Re: Gural vs Alagna
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2023, 03:56:48 PM »
Doctor’s prescribed gabapentin for the excruciating pain my wife suffered from shingles.

Well hopefully your wife got some relief from shingles. I have seen first hand how awful this virus is. I am curious if once your wife recovered from shingles by taking gabapentin, can she run or walk faster than before she took this drug? Just saying….

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Re: Gural vs Alagna
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2023, 03:58:48 PM »
That is correct, there is reciprocity between the states and Canada. When he finally takes his days, you won't see his name down anywhere. I can tell you from a previous personal experience. Just like Greg Peck. If his stable in NJ is licensed he won't be able to step foot on the property. Believe me.

Then how is Steve Elliot racing in KY while still on his 10 years suspension in NJ?

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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2023, 04:10:52 PM »
Most states have signed reciprocity agreements. NJ is not 1 of them. They were always afraid a big barn would take their suspension in the winter causing short fields at their prime handle time. Tony O’Sullivan raced every night at Mohawk when he finally took his days in NJ for killing Cashmire Cammotion

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2023, 04:36:02 PM »
Most states have signed reciprocity agreements. NJ is not 1 of them. They were always afraid a big barn would take their suspension in the winter causing short fields at their prime handle time. Tony O’Sullivan raced every night at Mohawk when he finally took his days in NJ for killing Cashmire Cammotion

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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2023, 05:24:31 PM »
That is correct, there is reciprocity between the states and Canada. When he finally takes his days, you won't see his name down anywhere. I can tell you from a previous personal experience. Just like Greg Peck. If his stable in NJ is licensed he won't be able to step foot on the property. Believe me.

Man if you had any experience with Peck I feel for you.  He can't get licensed though because USTA also revoked his membership. Peck is his own worst enemy, and consemate Bull Shit artist along with the vet he used.
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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2023, 06:16:01 PM »
Of course, you are correct

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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2023, 08:48:03 PM »
Doctor’s prescribed gabapentin for the excruciating pain my wife suffered from shingles.

Its the gold standard for nerve pain (neuropathy, shingles etc). But also used for epilepsy (its original use) and restless leg syndrome.Been around for ever. Ive taken it. It isnt a typical pain killer. It works by interupting nerve signals. I found it mildly helpful.

For nerve pain used in lieu of opiates and tramadol (synthetic pseudo-opiod).Reason its so popular it doesnt cause addiction problems comparable to opiates.

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Re: Gural vs Alagna
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2023, 08:59:34 PM »
XXZ,
Your are erroneous incorrect. T.A. will absolutely be suspended in KY and every other state. It’s reciprocal suspension.

He won two at the Red Mile today.

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2023, 09:16:38 PM »
He’s not currently under suspension

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Re: Gural vs Alagna
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2023, 09:31:40 PM »
There is not one state that doesn't do reciprocating suspension.  Find one example.  The Baffert example isn't a state racing commission suspension it is a Churchill Downs suspension.  That is why he is racing in other states.  Canada also will have him suspended.

You’re confusing tbreds where reciprocity does not exist for harness where reciprocity does

 

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