Let’s talk about scumbag owners who employ the drugging animal abusing trainers

[Fuguzzi]

When the anti - Semitic slime on here raise their head, I start looking around for someone to punch. Makes me sick to my stomach and enraged.

[ferdinand the bull]

Donald McRae and Kalpideo Sighn

Absolutely look who they employ
Also Crawford farms , BradleyGrant , Aron Waxman and Louis Roy employ trainers with questionable histories

[mwins]

Absolutely look who they employ
Also Crawford farms , BradleyGrant , Aron Waxman and Louis Roy employ trainers with questionable histories

Right.
That Bradley Grant. Been with Alagna and Moreau for years.
And that sneaky Roy, has horses with Eric Nadeau (who?) for the most part.

How about we clean up and punish the juice monkeys. You guys are jealous as fuck because guys like Grant can AFFORD to go wherever they like.

[Generation XYZ]

Absolutely look who they employ
Also Crawford farms , BradleyGrant , Aron Waxman and Louis Roy employ trainers with questionable histories

[ferdinand the bull]

Right.
That Bradley Grant. Been with Alagna and Moreau for years.
And that sneaky Roy, has horses with Eric Nadeau (who?) for the most part.

How about we clean up and punish the juice monkeys. You guys are jealous as fuck because guys like Grant can AFFORD to go wherever they like.

Alagna and Moreau have numerous positive tests each , you proved the point
As for envy of Grant's inherited fortune yes who would not want an abundance of wealth without having to earn it

[Dingus]

Alagna and Moreau have numerous positive tests each , you proved the point
As for envy of Grant's inherited fortune yes who would not want an abundance of wealth without having to earn it

Trump like wealth?

[tumbleweed]

For every “honest” who got out or cut back, I’ll give you 5 new ones who run to the cheaters all because of their greed for money. I’m not racist or singling out any one race or ethnicity here but I will admit a lot of the big money owners who employ the cheats are Jewish. Just saying........

If your not a racist why would you say it then?

[Gaagoots]

I don't think you need to toss the owners. They are part of the problem. No real regulatory or testing is where it starts.
Allard came from Canada with a reputation of cheating. I believe they told him to leave. Rene came to the US & took it to the next level.
Pelling had the milkshake & it wasn't a secret. He's back after a mysteriously leaving the country. Told to leave?
Takter caught bringing syringes to Canada. Rumors of another hot test at the Meadowlands & mysteriously retires. Was Jimmy told too?
Pena came from Cal Expo where he was average. Lou became the leading trainer wherever he raced. A drunk too.
Mickey Burke couldn't win a race. Then he becomes a top trainer. He also retires to most likely protect Ron.
Ron learned from his father who had show horses. He's the best ever...by far...without training them. Not likely!
Nick Surick also couldn't win a race & boom one day is a top trainer.
Bongiorno was a TV host at the Meadowlands. No learning curve & possibly the best start of any trainer's career.
I could go on all day. The point is real investigative work would expose all of them. We saw what happened with the FBI. It is a shame how far the game i loved has fallen.
The penalties for doping horses should be jail...for animal abuse. More jail time for race fixing too, & so on & so on....

MAN ARE YOU ON POINT!

[Fuguzzi]

Here, here

[LAW AND ORDER]

Who are the "Cheaters"? Owners who pay the trainers to "cheat" for them? Or trainers who pay to "cheat"(drug) so the owners buy more horses for them thus more money for the trainers or maybe the drivers who cheats by setting up horses to fail so when they're ready to win so all three can make more money? Who exactly is the "Cheaters"?

I WILL PROBABLY GET CRUCIFIED FOR SAYING THIS BUT HERE GOES. I CURRENTLY OWN 4 HORSES-- 2 IN PA, 1 IN NEW JERSEY AND 1 IN INDIANA. KIRBYS QUESTION IS A VERY VALID ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED HONESTLY. I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF A CHEATING OWNER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO SHIT THE RIGHT WAY AS I WAS RAISED THAT WAY. I WAS A TEENAGE FAN AND THEN ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS FROM COLLEGE DRAGGED ME INTO A PARTNERSHIP AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH OWNING SINCE 1989. I'VE SEEN IT ALL PRETTY MUCH. BUT TO ANSWER KIRBYS QUESTION, I WAS WITH THE SAME TRAINER WHO FOR THE MOST PART WAS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER BUT I GOT TIRED OF GETTING MY ASS KICKED BY THE OTHER JUICE TRAINERS EVERY WEEK. I HAD TO DO SOMETHING AND I HAD TWO CHOICES. EITHER GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS COMPLETLY WHICH IS WHAT MY PARTNER DID OR STILL OWN AND HIRE ONE OF THE MANY CHEATING JUICE TRAINERS AT EACH TRACK SO I COULD BE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WITH THEM. I WAS LOSING MY ASS AND WOULD OF GONE BROKE SO I CHOOSE THE LATTER. IN MY OPINION, ITS THE TRAINERS WHO START OUT AS THE CHEATS (DRUGS, ABUSE, ELECTROCUTION, ETC) AND I GUESS WE OWNERS BECOME CHEATS AS WELL BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE IN THE BUSINESS. I'LL APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW TO ALL OF MY FRIENDS IN THIS BUSINESS BUT WE OWNERS HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENABLING THE CHEATING TRAINERS TO THRIVE. I'M PRETTY SURE WITHOUT US, THEY COULDNT CHEAT AT THE LEVEL THEY DO AND WIN RACES LEFT AND RIGHT LIKE THE TOP TRAINERS AT EVERY TRACK DO. I'M A SMALL TIME GUY BUT I'M BEING HONEST, I HAD TO DO WHAT I HAD TO DO.

[Fuguzzi]

You do not deserve to be crucified. I was involved with a high percentage trainer and i knew intuitively his percentage was the kind that suggests he was "using something" To this day, i have no idea what it was or what he was "doing". Once, a PJ even called me into his office and started yelling about how he gets so many complaints from the public about this guy and kept asking what the hell he is using/doing. I told him, sorry, i have no idea. intuitively, I knew something was wrong, but yeah it's hard to give up winning. I can live with myself.

Now if I knew of abuse akin to the "Allard Death Camp"   That's a whole different story. I ran into that situation ponce in my life and did the right thing.

[LAW AND ORDER]

You do not deserve to be crucified. I was involved with a high percentage trainer and i knew intuitively his percentage was the kind that suggests he was "using something" To this day, i have no idea what it was or what he was "doing". Once, a PJ even called me into his office and started yelling about how he gets so many complaints from the public about this guy and kept asking what the hell he is using/doing. I told him, sorry, i have no idea. intuitively, I knew something was wrong, but yeah it's hard to give up winning. I can live with myself.

Now if I knew of abuse akin to the "Allard Death Camp"   That's a whole different story. I ran into that situation ponce in my life and did the right thing.

THANK YOU MR FUGUZZI.

[Fuguzzi]

 

[Stan durbread]

I WILL PROBABLY GET CRUCIFIED FOR SAYING THIS BUT HERE GOES. I CURRENTLY OWN 4 HORSES-- 2 IN PA, 1 IN NEW JERSEY AND 1 IN INDIANA. KIRBYS QUESTION IS A VERY VALID ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED HONESTLY. I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF A CHEATING OWNER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO SHIT THE RIGHT WAY AS I WAS RAISED THAT WAY. I WAS A TEENAGE FAN AND THEN ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS FROM COLLEGE DRAGGED ME INTO A PARTNERSHIP AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH OWNING SINCE 1989. I'VE SEEN IT ALL PRETTY MUCH. BUT TO ANSWER KIRBYS QUESTION, I WAS WITH THE SAME TRAINER WHO FOR THE MOST PART WAS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER BUT I GOT TIRED OF GETTING MY ASS KICKED BY THE OTHER JUICE TRAINERS EVERY WEEK. I HAD TO DO SOMETHING AND I HAD TWO CHOICES. EITHER GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS COMPLETLY WHICH IS WHAT MY PARTNER DID OR STILL OWN AND HIRE ONE OF THE MANY CHEATING JUICE TRAINERS AT EACH TRACK SO I COULD BE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WITH THEM. I WAS LOSING MY ASS AND WOULD OF GONE BROKE SO I CHOOSE THE LATTER. IN MY OPINION, ITS THE TRAINERS WHO START OUT AS THE CHEATS (DRUGS, ABUSE, ELECTROCUTION, ETC) AND I GUESS WE OWNERS BECOME CHEATS AS WELL BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE IN THE BUSINESS. I'LL APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW TO ALL OF MY FRIENDS IN THIS BUSINESS BUT WE OWNERS HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENABLING THE CHEATING TRAINERS TO THRIVE. I'M PRETTY SURE WITHOUT US, THEY COULDNT CHEAT AT THE LEVEL THEY DO AND WIN RACES LEFT AND RIGHT LIKE THE TOP TRAINERS AT EVERY TRACK DO. I'M A SMALL TIME GUY BUT I'M BEING HONEST, I HAD TO DO WHAT I HAD TO DO.

Sorry you are part of the problem. There are plenty of clean trainers out there that can win races.  Maybe not all the time. But look at last year’s Hambo and Oaks. You don’t have to go the cheating route that is your decision and you should suffer the consequences

[Fuguzzi]

Hambo and Oaks? WTH? We are talking about night in  and night out overnight racing. I am not sure what you guys think is going on out there. There is cheating and then there is CHEATING and then there is CHEATING

How many horses do you really think are racing straight outta the feed tub? everybody is using something to try and get an edge and compete.

yes, when i raced I tubed my horses once it exploded on the scene. I used Winstrol, baking soda and distilled water 4 hours out. the entire backstretch was tubing. Grasso ran around in his white Mitsubishi like a chicken with his head cut off. You tubed or you lost. Some people were better at it than others. A lot of guys tried to do it themselves and fucked up some horses. many people put all kinds of weird shit in the mix to try to outdo the next guy.

When the BlackBox/TCO 2 test came out it was back to the drawing board for many and trying to beat it for some and getting caught for others.

Lotta self righteous, sanctimonious blather on here.

Entire HOF is filled with race fixers, chemists, mob controlled characters and lowlifes. But still I love it. It's harness racing and the guys who control are the guys who cash and they often pay the smallest penalty - the drivers.