Let’s talk about scumbag owners who employ the drugging animal abusing trainers

[Fuguzzi]

i know a lot of the guys chirping about the cheaters on here definitely factored that into their handicapping and betting and not one said, I know this horse is a souped up "only" in my pick hailing from a 405 trainer/driver combo, but i wont use him cause he is a cheater handing out misbranded drugs. I will use other horses so i can feel better about myself. What BS

[Fuguzzi]

40%

[Stan durbread]

Hambo and Oaks? WTH? We are talking about night in  and night out overnight racing. I am not sure what you guys think is going on out there. There is cheating and then there is CHEATING and then there is CHEATING

How many horses do you really think are racing straight outta the feed tub? everybody is using something to try and get an edge and compete.

yes, when i raced I tubed my horses once it exploded on the scene. I used Winstrol, baking soda and distilled water 4 hours out. the entire backstretch was tubing. Grasso ran around in his white Mitsubishi like a chicken with his head cut off. You tubed or you lost. Some people were better at it than others. A lot of guys tried to do it themselves and fucked up some horses. many people put all kinds of weird shit in the mix to try to outdo the next guy.

When the BlackBox/TCO 2 test came out it was back to the drawing board for many and trying to beat it for some and getting caught for others.

Lotta self righteous, sanctimonious blather on here.

Entire HOF is filled with race fixers, chemists, mob controlled characters and lowlifes. But still I love it. It's harness racing and the guys who control are the guys who cash and they often pay the smallest penalty - the drivers.

Point is good horseman don’t have to resort to cheating even at the highest level of the sport.  Mostly bottom feeders cheat to make themselves look better

[Fuguzzi]

Restrict that to high class trotters with European trainers operating on a level we can't comprehend.

As for the pacers, I know of several top, top echelon 3 year olds who were loaded out their eyeballs or were suspected of being and who hailed from some very questionable outfits. I'll bet you do too

[Gaagoots]

How about the state vet that would text there high end clients{trainers} and tell them what races they were testing with the black box..... Example...HEY THEY ARE TESTING the double and races 4-6-7-10-11 What about that low life yuppie scum bag

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I knew a guy years ago at Pocono Downs that would charge 10 bucks to tube your horse. He would show up with a gastric tube, funnel and a twitch. Trainer would provide the shake. He did quite well.

[Fuguzzi]

How about the state vet that would text there high end clients{trainers} and tell them what races they were testing with the black box..... Example...HEY THEY ARE TESTING the double and races 4-6-7-10-11 What about that low life yuppie scum bag

I know for a fact that when Joe Guarino had his resurgence mid 90s at YR with Case doing most of the driving, that Guarino had a contact inside the Cornell trailer that would tell him what they would be tested for that particular evening. I also know he would pre-race some on the old back track very close to report time and for some reason would sometimes warm his horses up back there and never see the track before it was time to race. Don't know why or how he got away with it.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I know for a fact that when Joe Guarino had his resurgence mid 90s at YR with Case doing most of the driving, that Guarino had a contact inside the Cornell trailer that would tell him what they would be tested for that particular evening. I also know he would pre-race some on the old back track very close to report time and for some reason would sometimes warm his horses up back there and never see the track before it was time to race. Don't know why or how he got away with it.

Is Joe still alive?

[Fuguzzi]

I honestly don't know. Joe would be around 71 or 72 now. last i heard he was in Florida and had gotten involved in buying storage units on speculation like they do on that TV show. Admittedly that was several years ago and i have lost tabs.

[Fuguzzi]

I guess in 2007 when Joe was knocked out of Monti by Cliff Erlich along with Ross Cohen, Tommy Guido and Timmy Case and many others  ( milkshakes and Epo ), that was pretty much the end for Joe, very sad that Timmy took his life over it. Very sad.

[Balmoral buzz]

Hambo and Oaks? WTH? We are talking about night in  and night out overnight racing. I am not sure what you guys think is going on out there. There is cheating and then there is CHEATING and then there is CHEATING

How many horses do you really think are racing straight outta the feed tub? everybody is using something to try and get an edge and compete.

yes, when i raced I tubed my horses once it exploded on the scene. I used Winstrol, baking soda and distilled water 4 hours out. the entire backstretch was tubing. Grasso ran around in his white Mitsubishi like a chicken with his head cut off. You tubed or you lost. Some people were better at it than others. A lot of guys tried to do it themselves and fucked up some horses. many people put all kinds of weird shit in the mix to try to outdo the next guy.

When the BlackBox/TCO 2 test came out it was back to the drawing board for many and trying to beat it for some and getting caught for others.

Lotta self righteous, sanctimonious blather on here.

Entire HOF is filled with race fixers, chemists, mob controlled characters and lowlifes. But still I love it. It's harness racing and the guys who control are the guys who cash and they often pay the smallest penalty - the drivers.

Excellent post period. Thank you Fugman

[Balmoral buzz]

And for the record I’m not a perfect person but I would never abuse an animal or child and furthermore will fuck up anyone who I see doing it. 

[Fuguzzi]

Same here and that's how it should be for all men! And TY, Larry!

[The Exporter]

Are you not the guy who just printed you used milkshakes and other ways of trying to get an edge? In my book , you can't have it both ways. You can't be the judge of your cheating and the level you feel comfortable with, and through the otherside of you mouth claim your outrage of others.
 In my book, it was a tragedy for Tim Case. A guy who for years would tell every publication or other form of interview, it was hard work and dedication that set him apart from the others. I have great empathy for his family, zero feelings for his suicide. I guess he could not live with himself either.
 How about all the other guys who busted their ass and sacrificed every day.  There are hundreds of owners and trainer who got robbed every time they drew into a race these mutts were in. How about the horses? Were they willing or just a subject of abuse? How about the poor sapp that buys one of these junkies in a sale and cant beat a fat man next week?
 No, fuck Case Guarino, Case , Cohen , Guido and a couple dozen more, just like them.

[Mazola]

Are you not the guy who just printed you used milkshakes and other ways of trying to get an edge? In my book , you can't have it both ways. You can't be the judge of your cheating and the level you feel comfortable with, and through the otherside of you mouth claim your outrage of others.
 In my book, it was a tragedy for Tim Case. A guy who for years would tell every publication or other form of interview, it was hard work and dedication that set him apart from the others. I have great empathy for his family, zero feelings for his suicide. I guess he could not live with himself either.
 How about all the other guys who busted their ass and sacrificed every day.  There are hundreds of owners and trainer who got robbed every time they drew into a race these mutts were in. How about the horses? Were they willing or just a subject of abuse? How about the poor sapp that buys one of these junkies in a sale and cant beat a fat man next week?
 No, fuck Case Guarino, Case , Cohen , Guido and a couple dozen more, just like them.

Agree Either you cheat or you don't. Fuggin cheater.