Let’s talk about scumbag owners who employ the drugging animal abusing trainers

[Fuguzzi]

I have never expressed outrage at anyone. Read everything I say carefully. Yes, I tubed horses. It was that or leave the business in those days. At least half of every field was tubed. It was purely adapt or die. if you want to call it cheating, so be it. I never, ever used Epogen and got burned on 2 claims by horses crashing off it. ok, so be it. Between Epogen/Araseot and the tube, if you were to suspend everyone who was using either or both and God knows what else, you would have closed down the entire industry. i have never tried to have things both ways. I have never abused any animal. I was heavy into leg care, jogged long, trained light. I rarely injected a joint, believed "jugs" were a waste of money, never fed alfalfa cubes, never told drivers how to drive. I never had a pre race cloudy or a post race positive, nor did I ever get suspended. I can put my head on the pillow at night.

Nothing is racing clean out of the feed tub. it is, essentially impossible. Stop the sanctimony.

Abuse, on the other hand is never tolerable. You've read my posts - you know what i saw as a groom.

Btw, exporter, I respect whjat you post a lot

[Fuguzzi]

One other thing, bribing or banging some vet tech to find out what's being tested for and then drugging accordingly is not "getting an edge", it is conspiracy and a crime. At THAT, I did express outrage. That stuffs plain bull shit. No one deserves that edge.

[Generation XYZ]

One other thing, bribing or banging some vet tech to find out what's being tested for and then drugging accordingly is not "getting an edge", it is conspiracy and a crime. At THAT, I did express outrage. That stuffs plain bull shit. No one deserves that edge.

and if its not conspiracy, its definitely soliciting prostitution of a different payment method. 

[The Exporter]

I am 100% aware of how racing operated in those days. People who raced clean, no matter what there level of skill or how sharp they were, batted .200 to maybe .250.
 Most raced in condition races and when their stead got down to NW $2,000 L5, they drew well and jogged. Then another 6-8 weeks of 4th and 5th place checks before they go down in class top win or be second. No matter how talented a horse person you are , you are a .200 trainer in these circumstances.
 You could drop in a claimer. Not wanting to lose him but looking to be more aggressive in his placement, you tag him for $10K more than he is worth. No takers.  Nobody makes a dime but, you now fit NW of $2K again.  If you tagged him at the value he has been performing at, there were 10 sharks, swimming the blood stained waters of the claiming box. Either way you go bust if you continue to play.  One of those creeps would draw the lucky pill and in 2 weeks with some EPO, soda and breathing meds, he wins and the driver takes almost a 1/2 mile to pull him up. Double jumps the next start and the classy 10yr. old shaves 2 seconds off his lifetime mark.
Now, the former trainer looks to be incompetent or at the least, a guy that time has passed by. The owner feels like a complete schmuck and finds a new way to get his action fix.
 This shit went on right until the VLT laws passed. Everyone knew harness racing had less integrity than, wrestling and roller derby. Hell, Boxing had more going for it. That was until the MMA gave the pugilistic fan an alternative. When a politician in NY was on the outs, his peers and pundits would "you will be seeing him on a bench at Yonkers Trots, next.
To give any of these low life gutless creeps any remembrance other than what they excelled at
 cheating, is a great travesty of fairness to the straight guys.

 

[Gaagoots]

I know for a fact that when Joe Guarino had his resurgence mid 90s at YR with Case doing most of the driving, that Guarino had a contact inside the Cornell trailer that would tell him what they would be tested for that particular evening. I also know he would pre-race some on the old back track very close to report time and for some reason would sometimes warm his horses up back there and never see the track before it was time to race. Don't know why or how he got away with it.

Exactly Fuguzzi there were mutable trainers given the okay

[Fuguzzi]

I am 100% aware of how racing operated in those days. People who raced clean, no matter what there level of skill or how sharp they were, batted .200 to maybe .250.
 Most raced in condition races and when their stead got down to NW $2,000 L5, they drew well and jogged. Then another 6-8 weeks of 4th and 5th place checks before they go down in class top win or be second. No matter how talented a horse person you are , you are a .200 trainer in these circumstances.
 You could drop in a claimer. Not wanting to lose him but looking to be more aggressive in his placement, you tag him for $10K more than he is worth. No takers.  Nobody makes a dime but, you now fit NW of $2K again.  If you tagged him at the value he has been performing at, there were 10 sharks, swimming the blood stained waters of the claiming box. Either way you go bust if you continue to play.  One of those creeps would draw the lucky pill and in 2 weeks with some EPO, soda and breathing meds, he wins and the driver takes almost a 1/2 mile to pull him up. Double jumps the next start and the classy 10yr. old shaves 2 seconds off his lifetime mark.
Now, the former trainer looks to be incompetent or at the least, a guy that time has passed by. The owner feels like a complete schmuck and finds a new way to get his action fix.
 This shit went on right until the VLT laws passed. Everyone knew harness racing had less integrity than, wrestling and roller derby. Hell, Boxing had more going for it. That was until the MMA gave the pugilistic fan an alternative. When a politician in NY was on the outs, his peers and pundits would "you will be seeing him on a bench at Yonkers Trots, next.
To give any of these low life gutless creeps any remembrance other than what they excelled at
 cheating, is a great travesty of fairness to the straight guys.

You put everything perfectly!  There were dozens like me. Shaking our heads at horses running off the screen, 11 year olds taking lifetime marks and trainers, often that you didn't even hear of the year before, suddenly having full barns and winning at a 40% clip. we never indulged in the designer cocktails, Gaspar's "stuff" or the pain blockers and mind control drugs "we heard some guys used" and at first NY did everything it could to hamstring us by not allowing us to use lasix, like the rest of the world, we never used anabolic steroids or HGH, so we just cheated on the fringe trying to make a dent into the barns that were kicking our ass. We always knew who the serious scumbags were and frowned when they kept getting re-lisenced over and over again. ( some were even racing last night at YR ). I guess time heals all wounds. Personally, I never believed tubing a horse was a serious infraction or abuse. ( all natural ingredients, assumed ) In fact, I feel it is more abusive to have the animal tied up and walking as his muscles stiffen as he burns thru lactic acid the last 1/8th. Everybody loses that way, including the bettor.

Likw I said I know you are the real deal, Exporter and know you know the drill.

[Fuguzzi]

Exactly Fuguzzi there were mutable trainers given the okay

Flis/Smutz   LaPoff/Marino?

[JIDGE]

What are you supposed to do if you want to get back into the game as an owner and buy or claim something in the 50K range. Almost every trainer that has a horse racing worth 50k is batting 300 plus. What are you gonna do, get one and give it to someone at 160? Of course not -- no one is in it to lose money.  So what's an owner (new or old) suppose to do?

[Fuguzzi]

Like Hymen Roth said to Michael Corleone, "This is the business we've chosen"


You hit it, Jidge

[Mazola]

Nobody had the balls to turn in the cheats. Much easier to to cheat as well. No excuse for that. Must be a man of faith.

[Gaagoots]

Flis/Smutz   LaPoff/Marino?

yep and a few others!

[bond]

I am 100% aware of how racing operated in those days. People who raced clean, no matter what there level of skill or how sharp they were, batted .200 to maybe .250.
 Most raced in condition races and when their stead got down to NW $2,000 L5, they drew well and jogged. Then another 6-8 weeks of 4th and 5th place checks before they go down in class top win or be second. No matter how talented a horse person you are , you are a .200 trainer in these circumstances.
 You could drop in a claimer. Not wanting to lose him but looking to be more aggressive in his placement, you tag him for $10K more than he is worth. No takers.  Nobody makes a dime but, you now fit NW of $2K again.  If you tagged him at the value he has been performing at, there were 10 sharks, swimming the blood stained waters of the claiming box. Either way you go bust if you continue to play.  One of those creeps would draw the lucky pill and in 2 weeks with some EPO, soda and breathing meds, he wins and the driver takes almost a 1/2 mile to pull him up. Double jumps the next start and the classy 10yr. old shaves 2 seconds off his lifetime mark.
Now, the former trainer looks to be incompetent or at the least, a guy that time has passed by. The owner feels like a complete schmuck and finds a new way to get his action fix.
 This shit went on right until the VLT laws passed. Everyone knew harness racing had less integrity than, wrestling and roller derby. Hell, Boxing had more going for it. That was until the MMA gave the pugilistic fan an alternative. When a politician in NY was on the outs, his peers and pundits would "you will be seeing him on a bench at Yonkers Trots, next.
To give any of these low life gutless creeps any remembrance other than what they excelled at
 cheating, is a great travesty of fairness to the straight guys.
This is probably the best post Ive ever read on the Plop-or anywhere for that matter--sums up the State of the Industry for the most part very well-facts about the main problem--the real cheats--and why they need to be in jail.
Chris Ryder--got out of the "cheat" game-by not racing claimers-as every time he got one going well-the low life cheaters would claim it . Casie Coleman--looks like the same thing--Linda Toscano, Pelling,Daley etc-no one wants to play the game where these crooks get a hold of your horse. Burke still races claimers--mainly because he has Weaver helping him-the man is a genius at finding value horses--and knows the value of a horse better than the owners or even the trainer. Racing would be better off-having all kinds of condition races where even the non  juicers can race and make a steady income. Thats why Im partial to grading horses v accurately-better than trackmaster does(full of errors)--and use that for the future of the sport.

[LAW AND ORDER]

What are you supposed to do if you want to get back into the game as an owner and buy or claim something in the 50K range. Almost every trainer that has a horse racing worth 50k is batting 300 plus. What are you gonna do, get one and give it to someone at 160? Of course not -- no one is in it to lose money.  So what's an owner (new or old) suppose to do?

IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE GAME THEN YOU ARE FORCED TO CHEAT. THERE IS NO WAY LIKE YOU SAID TO MAKE MONEY ANY OTHER WAY. THATS WHY I BELEIVE IN 5-10 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO MORE HARNESS RACING. I JUST WISH THEY WOULD ELIMINATE ALL OF THE CASINO MONEY AND MAKE US RACE FOR WHATEVER WE GENERATE. IT WOULD REMOVE A LOT OF THE CHEATING BIG MONEY OWNERS AND TRAINERS AND THE GAME WOULD CONTINUE PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT IS TODAY WITH 150-200 PEOPLE IN THE GRANDSTAND. SO BE IT

[Fuguzzi]

  At 60, given traditional life expectancies, I feel now that the last race I will be in is ME vs Harness Racing. Hate to see either of us lose.

[Gaagoots]

What about that fat black pimp from Port Jervis New York (so called horse owner) that used to bring that little blonde to suck off the state vet to find out what races they were blood/gas testing!

I let them ship with me once ,  he wanted to have her suck my dick for payment!  I thought to myself …she sucked that fucking shine’s cheese dick I’m not gonna let her near me!