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Fuguzzi

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Re: big trainers get fines. small trainers get suspensions. pays to be rich
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2023, 06:41:49 PM »
It’s regumate

Someone probably accidentally gave it to the wrong horse
Pretty hard to mess that up , but when you have so many horses, oh well

Provides ZERO performance enhancement to a gelding and does literally nothing for all the horseplop expert trainers and veterinarians out there
Let me be clearer, Regumate for mares cycling supresses estrus. These guys must be waaay sharper than I ever was cause I never heard of giving it to a gelding or any male horse for that matter.

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2023, 06:48:29 PM »
It's been used on geldings for a long time.  Here is a quote from this forum three years ago concerning it

Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows.  They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2023, 06:58:44 PM »
Gotcha. Yeah, I never fooled with progesterone in male horses. Calming is a nice way of saying it made them dull and I wasn't interested in doing that.

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2023, 07:00:41 PM »
It's been used on geldings for a long time.  Here is a quote from this forum three years ago concerning it

Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows.  They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect.

Just because a vet claims it does something it’s not intended to do doesn’t mean it works

You would all be surprised how many times vets are incorrect
Vets aren’t the ones putting bridles on a horse every single day

Fuguzzi

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2023, 07:03:47 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2023, 09:07:31 PM »
Female hormones have been used to relax high-strung geldings, so they're more controllable during a race. I've never heard of the hormone having the same effect on an intact male horse.

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Re: big trainers get fines. small trainers get suspensions. pays to be rich
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2023, 09:48:51 PM »
Gotcha. Yeah, I never fooled with progesterone in male horses. Calming is a nice way of saying it made them dull and I wasn't interested in doing that.

Used it lots on sour geldings. It seemed to make them happier. Especially if the came out a barn that used lots of Winstol and Equipoise.

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2023, 09:49:34 PM »
Raced better and didn’t need a whip and a chair to go in stall

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2023, 09:51:15 PM »
That is Dantrolene sodium and used for treating tie up

Most places I dealt with have 72hr rule on that

WRONG: Dilantin and dantrolene both begin with a D… that’s it lol. Check your facts.

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2023, 09:58:11 PM »
WRONG: Dilantin and dantrolene both begin with a D… that’s it lol. Check your facts.
Thanks I was just getting ready to post about that. Some of these guys don’t seem to understand you can learn a lot from a simple google search

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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2023, 10:27:06 PM »
Used it lots on sour geldings. It seemed to make them happier. Especially if the came out a barn that used lots of Winstol and Equipoise.

Very true.

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2023, 11:49:54 PM »
Altrenogest:
synthetic progestin, is used extensively in the reproductive management of mares to control the reproductive cycle, help maintain pregnancy, and help with behavior modification.

So why are you allowing this to be used on a gelding? What can it do for a colt?
OH Kirby! As you may or may not have known there was a product for mares called Regumate that was banned from use in male horses due to the increased performance in geldings! This was not only being used in racing applications, it was also used in Polo and Barrell racing ang the likes. When a substance that works is outlawed, prior users look for a substitute. There have been a few other positives in male horses with female hormone type products since they implemented the ban in males.

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Re: big trainers get fines. small trainers get suspensions. pays to be rich
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2023, 08:58:59 AM »
It’s regumate

Someone probably accidentally gave it to the wrong horse
Pretty hard to mess that up , but when you have so many horses, oh well

Provides ZERO performance enhancement to a gelding and does literally nothing for all the horseplop expert trainers and veterinarians out there

if thats true why did it become BANNED?

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Re: big trainers get fines. small trainers get suspensions. pays to be rich
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2023, 09:02:35 AM »
add BRIAN BROWN to this weeks list---if he was a small guy he would have got the book thrown at him.   not even a fine    fucken joke

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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2023, 10:03:38 AM »
beg to differ.
Had quite a few we used equipoise on the geldings and - it could light one up.

Always used Equipise on geldings too before it was banned and yes it did!

 

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