CBS 60 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME SUNDAY!

[theokodjak26]

Great stat. That says it all doesn’t it?

[NV]

https://pastthewire.com/15-minutes-of-ugly-on-60-minutes/#comment-14169

"Of greater concern is the ongoing incompetence of state regulators and racetracks at effectively policing the sport. Miniscule fines and suspensions offer little deterrent for racing infractions. More serious cases are NEVER referred to law enforcement for criminal prosecution under felony animal cruelty or felony tampering (race fixing) laws. Racing regulators are incestuously linked to the regulated and they strive to provide the veneer of competent oversight. They have and continue to fail in their mandate."

From the 60 Min segment:

The Jockey Club’s Stewart Janney also spoke with Vega.

“How big of a problem is doping in horse racing?” asked Vega.

“It’s a big problem,” responded Janney.

“It strikes at the integrity of the sport. It’s not good for the horses. There’s just nothing about it that’s acceptable,” he added.

“What has horse racing regulation been like over the last 50 years?” asked Vega.

“A failure,” Janney emphatically said.

“Increasingly so,” he added.

“It’s gotten worse.” commented Vega.

“It’s gotten worse. And, quite frankly, states have not done their job,” Janney added.

Vega remarked: “When you talk about something that’s sounds like it’s as institutionalized as corruption has been, I don’t know how you clean that up.”

[Generation XYZ]

Great stat. That says it all doesn’t it?

Yet Gural will continue to allow the Millers to function at his tracks, why, because they train Gural horses. So if 60 minutes wanted an expose there is one to scratch the surface.

[horses first]

They called it a niche sport. True, but had to laugh- that’s a new one.

What do you mean new one? That is and what has been the sport forever. Only one sport of kings and that is the thoroughbred. Harness has no handle to keep the sport alive much less thrive. If it's not a major day of racing very little fanfare at the track. Even brick and mortar facilities are empty. ADW all but killed the way to go and watch when you can do it hand. Which also is the lowest form of % back to the purse account. 99% of America has no clue what harness racing is where it takes place and when it takes place.

State legislation easily can rewrite and decouple away the partnerships with casinos. In PA they will sue when they lose and its written they will receive 1 yr of the benefit they currently get. If that number is still 250M they will have to make that really stretch meaning a lot more dark days and breeders awards good luck with that one.

[horses first]

What welfare bailout money are you referring to? Monmouth Park didn't get welfare bailout money. They got paid to NOT put VLT's at their racetrack. If a racetrack leases out space to a casino company for VLT's, slot machines, or a casino, is that welfare bailout money? I see it as a revenue source. If a casino, or anyone for that matter, wants to pay a track to NOT put in alternative gaming, that's not welfare bailout money, that's business. The moment decoupling is legal, a casino company that owns a racetrack will close that side of the facility. It's business. Highest and best use.

As far as what I get if a venture fails, I will take whatever benefit is legal and offered to me. Tax deduction, credit, write-down, or even a benefit, like if I invest in a QOZ. Whatever I am entitled to, I will take it. That's what a capitalist does. Now if that money is optional and being redeployed from elsewhere, then I have a decision to make.

Yes there is a much newer tax payer handout for both thoroughbred and harness in NJ. 3-years ago maybe? Part of that deal the Meadowlands had to show handle growth during this period of time. Not sure where this subsidy stands today but they where definitely receiving millions. Believe Monmouth had the better end of the deal?

[Stan durbread]

The day will come. The voters could care less about racing especially harness racing. The handouts could pay for roads, and bridges, and schools with less tax increases. PA has been close to doing this several times. The day will come. After that decoupling will be next.  Ask yourself, if the handouts were put on the ballot, what would be the outcome?

As a fan, I want to see the handouts end. Then the industry will have to offer a product people actually want to see and will support.

It does not kill off the "agricultural sector" just racing. Maybe the price of food would come down as more land is available for the real "agricultural sector".

https://edvoterspa.org/race-horse-development-fund/#:~:text=The%20Race%20Horse%20Development%20Fund,wealthy%20horseracing%20enthusiasts%20and%20hobbyists.

http://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org/

If it was that easy all Philly high school students would be looking at free college, horse racing would be dead in PA and Wolf would still be governor

[bello]

The day will come. The voters could care less about racing especially harness racing. The handouts could pay for roads, and bridges, and schools with less tax increases. PA has been close to doing this several times. The day will come. After that decoupling will be next.  Ask yourself, if the handouts were put on the ballot, what would be the outcome?

As a fan, I want to see the handouts end. Then the industry will have to offer a product people actually want to see and will support.

It does not kill off the "agricultural sector" just racing. Maybe the price of food would come down as more land is available for the real "agricultural sector".

https://edvoterspa.org/race-horse-development-fund/#:~:text=The%20Race%20Horse%20Development%20Fund,wealthy%20horseracing%20enthusiasts%20and%20hobbyists.

http://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org/

The " kids over racing" link above says it all.

Why in the world is Pocono Downs and Harrahs Philadelphia still racing while schools cannot afford computers, musical instruments, athletic supplies and uniforms, decent lunches, etc.

Instead we see these juicer trainers and complicit owners raking in obscene purses while nobody bets these tracks because proven scumbage like Dean Eckley, Gareth Dowth. Marc Mosher, Darren Tanneyhill, and so on and so on stealing this money.

Enough

[bello]

Always thought about this

When Surick's seat got its hottest, did his regular Freehold driver's name ever get mentioned?

I mean..if the instructions day after day, week after week, horse after horse, is to blast to the front, no worse than second, basically a pattern is established. A breakneck, heartpoundung 1/4 mile pattern.

Were servis or navarros top jocks or Suricks Freehold front ender ever questioned quietly by authorities what they might of surmised OR is it 100000000% a trainer problem?

Dont a top Freehold driver or t'bred jocks understand 'a pattern of instructions' could be problematic with similar scripts for many horses put under them or in front of them under harness.

And I know answer to this is no but: are they ever liable as the animal's chauffeur for overhearing or interpreting instructions and not reporting strange patterned instruction to track management?

I know we're living in an alternate universe to think any of that possible.  But perhaps small suspensions or fines should start being levied against drivers or jocks if a trainer is suspended, maybe 10% of trainer's penalty, if there's proof they knowingly drove the animal with drugs in its system..I guess youd have to start adding a lie detector to the sample stall...i dont think thats gonna happen.
But these are dangerous times..the game and its future teetering...no idea can get tossed easily.

Andy Miller was basically Suricks only driver at Freehold. Believe me he knew when the horses were juices and when they were not. He got NO accolades from me for his recent milestone wins. Another POS!

[Stan durbread]

The " kids over racing" link above says it all.

Why in the world is Pocono Downs and Harrahs Philadelphia still racing while schools cannot afford computers, musical instruments, athletic supplies and uniforms, decent lunches, etc.

Instead we see these juicer trainers and complicit owners raking in obscene purses while nobody bets these tracks because proven scumbage like Dean Eckley, Gareth Dowth. Marc Mosher, Darren Tanneyhill, and so on and so on stealing this money.

Enough

Better question is. Where are the billions PA already gets from their portion of the casinos?

[horses first]

Better question is. Where are the billions PA already gets from their portion of the casinos?

Easy the Breeders, trainers retirement fund, new paddocks at the track, obviously the built up of purses daily and stake program that for 15 plus years has seen money leave the state. Hanover Farms, Ron Burke, and Takter owners kindly thank the casino partnership

[Stan durbread]

Easy the Breeders, trainers retirement fund, new paddocks at the track, obviously the built up of purses daily and stake program that for 15 plus years has seen money leave the state. Hanover Farms, Ron Burke, and Takter owners kindly thank the casino partnership

You are talking about the racing percentages. I’m talking about the PA government % they get every year from each casino. That was supposed to lower taxes and build better schools

[Bernie Madoff]

 Only one sport of kings and that is the thoroughbred. 




This is true. Gural emphatically proclaimed we are the sport of queens.

[horses first]

You are talking about the racing percentages. I’m talking about the PA government % they get every year from each casino. That was supposed to lower taxes and build better schools

Yes you are right to keep the taxes lower. Wasn't sure about building better schools but if those funds go into the general fund we'll like most states that run budget deficits it goes into the blackhole abyss and later spent elsewhere or lining pockets of lobbyist.

[LAW AND ORDER]

Andy Miller was basically Suricks only driver at Freehold. Believe me he knew when the horses were juices and when they were not. He got NO accolades from me for his recent milestone wins. Another POS!

SUPPOSEDLY ANY, JULIE AND ERV NAMES WILL BE RELEASED ANY DAY BY THE FEDS. GURAL CAN KEEP PROTECTING THEM BUT ONCE THE FEDS GOT INVOLVED NOBODY WWAS SAFE. THEIR DAY IS COMING.

[Superfecta]

SUPPOSEDLY ANY, JULIE AND ERV NAMES WILL BE RELEASED ANY DAY BY THE FEDS. GURAL CAN KEEP PROTECTING THEM BUT ONCE THE FEDS GOT INVOLVED NOBODY WWAS SAFE. THEIR DAY IS COMING.

Maybe the Feds were players at some of the Swingers parties the Millers threw.