SOMEONE WHO DIDNT TAKE TO KINDLY TO 60 MINUTES SYNOPSIS

[rainman2]

What's an honest trainer? One who has never had a positive? Not even a bute overage?

Please tell all of us on horseplop. You are the big time person in the business, the rest of us are small potatoes.  See the other post on Michelle Crawford on honest trainers!!

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Please tell all of us on horseplop. You are the big time person in the business, the rest of us are small potatoes.  See the other post on Michelle Crawford on honest trainers!!

Like I said on the other post, when you answer with a personal attack, it tells EVERYTHING about what you know. Thanks for making my point. Tell your story walking and have a great day!

[rainman2]

Like I said on the other post, when you answer with a personal attack, it tells EVERYTHING about what you know. Thanks for making my point. Tell your story walking and have a great day!

You made a point??

Far from a personal attack.

OH SO SAD!

Please grow up and stop your whining and complaining!!

[kooter for hipin]

   

    There is an old saying that eventually, "all democrats become republicans."

[wiseowl]

Horses do move up with a new trainer some go backwards part of the game that is why we play it.

[kooter for hipin]

What's an honest trainer? One who has never had a positive? Not even a bute overage?

..."bute overage" is a very interesting statement and quite true.  Back in my day, bute was widely used because of it's ability to quell swelling quite quickly, actually within hours. Swelling is the cause of pain and therefore was banned, I think, within one day before a race. I used bute on my horses and myself as a matter of fact as did most horsemen of the period. Bute also had dire consequences on human and horse blood chemistry with continued use. Bute is now a thing of the past

[Grandstand Handicapper]

..."bute overage" is a very interesting statement and quite true.  Back in my day, bute was widely used because of it's ability to quell swelling quite quickly, actually within hours. Swelling is the cause of pain and therefore was banned, I think, within one day before a race. I used bute on my horses and myself as a matter of fact as did most horsemen of the period. Bute also had dire consequences on human and horse blood chemistry with continued use. Bute is now a thing of the past

That's fine. I didn't mean bute as much as I meant a normal, typical, legal, commonly found therapeutic medication that trainers are allowed to use. So if a trainer has an overage of a such a medication, does that make him a cheater? Is an honest trainer one who has never had any positive test? I ready an article somewhere once that said in the t-bred business, of the top 100 trainers in North America (at that time), there was not one who never had a positive test and there were only two or three had one positive test. Is that the standard for an honest trainer? Is it OK for me to give a horse to Tony Alagna, but not Ron Burke? Linda Toscano, but not Brett Pelling? Joe Holloway, but not Steve Elliott? Ake Svanstedt, but not Nancy Takter? Even then, when a positive test occurs on one of my horses, who and how are they going to prove what I knew and what I didn't? This is not black and white by any means.

Listen, I would like to see an owner have his name of some list showing he/she bought designer or exotic drugs and gave it to their trainer(s). Show me that and I will be the first person to say they should be thrown out of the sport and business for life.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

If a horse comes up positive and trainer gets for example a 30 day suspension, then horse should be suspended from racing for same amount of time.

[Dingus]

If a horse comes up positive and trainer gets for example a 30 day suspension, then horse should be suspended from racing for same amount of time.

I’ve been saying that for years.  This way, no beards.

[LAW AND ORDER]

..."bute overage" is a very interesting statement and quite true.  Back in my day, bute was widely used because of it's ability to quell swelling quite quickly, actually within hours. Swelling is the cause of pain and therefore was banned, I think, within one day before a race. I used bute on my horses and myself as a matter of fact as did most horsemen of the period. Bute also had dire consequences on human and horse blood chemistry with continued use. Bute is now a thing of the past

BUTE IS NOT A THING OF THE PAST. JUST ASK ERV MILLER AS HE ALLEGEDLY HAD A BUTE OVERAGE AT THE BIG M AND GOT A 15 DAY SUSPENSION. IT WAS POSTED ON THE USTA FINES AND SUSPENSIONS. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT, ERV STILL USES IT.

[LAW AND ORDER]

Please tell all of us on horseplop. You are the big time person in the business, the rest of us are small potatoes.  See the other post on Michelle Crawford on honest trainers!!

WHY DO YOU ATTCK HORSEPLOPPERS WHO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE JUICERS AND DISHONEST TRAINERS. YOU SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST SO OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WHO IS HONEST AND WHO ISNT. STOP ASKING US PLOPPERS TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW. YIPPY FOR YOU IF YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST. POST HIS/HER NAME ON PLOP SO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PLOPPERS CAN SEND THEM A HORSE OR TWO AND GET AWAY FROM THEIR DISHONEST ONE..

[LAW AND ORDER]

Can you please name some honest trainers?

Can you please name some dishonest trainers?

Thank you

HERE YA GO. FORMULATE YOUR OPINION IF HONEST/DISHONEST.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Jay Cochlin for this positive test. There should be criminal charges for anyone found guilty of giving a horse meth.

Notification of Positive test.
Tag # 332329936
From The horse Big Diamond.
Raced at Flamboro Downs on Oct 26, 2023, finished 1st. Trainer Jay Cochlin.
Drug: Methamphetamine and Amphetamine.
Mr Cochlin will be in to see Officials on November 11.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I’ve been saying that for years.  This way, no beards.

No beards for that horse and it hits the owner's pocket which may make them think twice about their choice in trainers.

[rainman2]

WHY DO YOU ATTCK HORSEPLOPPERS WHO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE JUICERS AND DISHONEST TRAINERS. YOU SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST SO OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WHO IS HONEST AND WHO ISNT. STOP ASKING US PLOPPERS TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW. YIPPY FOR YOU IF YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST. POST HIS/HER NAME ON PLOP SO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PLOPPERS CAN SEND THEM A HORSE OR TWO AND GET AWAY FROM THEIR DISHONEST ONE..

WHY DO YOU ATTCK HORSEPLOPPERS WHO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE JUICERS AND DISHONEST TRAINERS. YOU SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST SO OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WHO IS HONEST AND WHO ISNT. STOP ASKING US PLOPPERS TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW. YIPPY FOR YOU IF YOUR TRAINER IS HONEST. POST HIS/HER NAME ON PLOP SO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PLOPPERS CAN SEND THEM A HORSE OR TWO AND GET AWAY FROM THEIR DISHONEST ONE..

Who is ‘ATTACKING’ “HORSEPLOPPERS”? 
Get a life, Grow up and stop your whining and complaining!
I just post here (see PIGLAND)!!  I like reading what others list to personally confirm/deny things that I read!  I don’t have to post my trainer’s name to the horseplop community.
Thank you for your post.

[LAW AND ORDER]

Who is ‘ATTACKING’ “HORSEPLOPPERS”? 
Get a life, Grow up and stop your whining and complaining!
I just post here (see PIGLAND)!!  I like reading what others list to personally confirm/deny things that I read!  I don’t have to post my trainer’s name to the horseplop community.
Thank you for your post.

I HAVE A LIFE THANK YOU,,,,,, YOU ARE EITHER STUPID OR TRYING TO START SHIT WITH PEOPLE.  LETS RECAP, YOU CONFIRMED EARLIER ON THIS THREAD THAT YOU HAVE AN HONEST TRAINER. SO ITS CLEAR THAT YOU KNOW WHO IS HONEST AND WHO IS DISHONEST. SO WHY COME ON HERE ASKING OTHERS TO POST HONES/DISHONEST TRAINERS? YOU ALREADY CONFIRMED BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION YOU HAVE AN HONEST TRAINER SO CLEARLY YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE! STOP BEING AN A-HOLE