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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2023, 08:02:12 PM »
Hear is the one thing you are all missing.  Did Gural make the comment on camera?  Did he make it on radio?  Did he make it in a large group of people  where he could be overheard? NO!  He made it to a bonehead reporter.  Now we all know that the media can write or say anything they want.  They can mis quote 100% and nothing happens.  Donald Trump is mis quoted in the media.  He even says crazy shit in the media and guess what? You can't sue for defamation.  It's one person's opinion and that's it.  Just because I tell Generation XYZ that Ron Burke uses EPO it doesn't give Ron Burke the right to sue for defamation.  I don't care if Generation XYZ posts it on every forum in the universe "Harnessfan2023 said Ron Burke uses EPO" it doesn't mean shit.

All Howard Taylor is going to do is open a huge can of worms and cause a whole mess of problems for a lot of other people.  His racing days are finished and he's hitting the pannic button because he has no income as a lawyer.  He's already out looking for trainers who will testify for him and I can assure you anyone who is dumb enough to testify for him will be hung at the stake.  Testifying for him will only purger themselves at a later date.

Oh BTW the article that supposedly is the cause of all this was taken down within 12hrs after the post.  Probably because of a mis quote or discrepancy.  So you want to get 12 people on a jury to award you millions of dollars in damages for something that was up for 12hrs and you can't prove Gural said?  Good Luck on this one!

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2023, 08:04:27 PM »
         You would have to search the world to find a bigger bunch of morons than are on this thread.   You 🤡 clowns keep saying that Howard Taylor purchased performance enhancing drugs . Where is the proof ?   I guess on here you can say anything about anybody but in real life there has to be proof.   Receipts , Cancelled checks, Billing statements.  Have any of you half wits seen any of these things ?  The answer is no.      Do you imbeciles really think he would sue Gural if Gural had proof that he purchased EPO ? Newsflash !  There is no proof because he never purchased or distributed anything of any kind.

AND....What proof do YOU have that he didnt???
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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2023, 08:06:55 PM »

Hear is the one thing you are all missing....   

Testifying for him will only purger themselves at a later date.

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2023, 08:17:40 PM »
Later that day, Gural was quoted in Thoroughbred Racing News saying that Taylor “had to be giving EPO [Epogen] to his trainers to use and not a single trainer picked up the phone and said I have an owner who wants me to use EPO on his horses.”

That statement was untrue. No facts, in either the Meadowlands press release or the article, supported the claim that Taylor ever gave Epogen to any of his trainers or that Taylor ever instructed any trainer to use Epogen on his horses.

That's what a reporter wrote that Gural supposedly said to him!  One person in a two-person conversation.  That's not public defamation.  He DID NOT MAKE A PUBLIC statement.  He told a f'n reporter.  What a reporter writes doesn't constitute public defamation.  If what your saying is true then everyone is liable for what they say to a reporter AND reporters can no longer hide there sources.  If they can hide there sources then you coudn't sue for defamation now could you?

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2023, 08:28:00 PM »
Just got confirmation right from the source so I’ll say it again for the millionth time.   There is no proof or evidence that Mr Taylor purchased or distributed any kind of performance enhancing drug.   You people can quote any source that you want     No proof No evidence that anything like this occurred.    Gural can keep Howard Taylor out of his races At the Meadowlands.   Hambletonian Society and New Jersey sire stakes Mr Gural can whistle Dixie, he has no control to stop anybody from racing in those races.  Whatever you people think Howard Taylor purchased, there is no proof that it was anything illegal.   We don’t live in China  We don’t live in Russia ,  in our country there has to be proof.   A bunch of blowhards shooting their mouths off on Horseplop does not constitute proof. 

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #110 on: December 14, 2023, 08:57:52 PM »
we need Mike P on this

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #111 on: December 14, 2023, 09:01:17 PM »
Just got confirmation right from the source so I’ll say it again for the millionth time.   There is no proof or evidence that Mr Taylor purchased or distributed any kind of performance enhancing drug.   You people can quote any source that you want     No proof No evidence that anything like this occurred.    Gural can keep Howard Taylor out of his races At the Meadowlands.   Hambletonian Society and New Jersey sire stakes Mr Gural can whistle Dixie, he has no control to stop anybody from racing in those races.  Whatever you people think Howard Taylor purchased, there is no proof that it was anything illegal.   We don’t live in China  We don’t live in Russia ,  in our country there has to be proof.   A bunch of blowhards shooting their mouths off on Horseplop does not constitute proof.

Boscoman... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Are you aware of the vast number of cases on going in the US currently? you dont need to prove anything anymore. You just mke up shit and sue.  Howard Taylor knows first hand how to create a case and defend a liar. He does it every day.
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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2023, 10:55:26 PM »

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #113 on: December 14, 2023, 10:58:58 PM »
      You people make me laugh ,  New York Pennsylvania, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana , Maryland, Kentucky all have no problem with Howard Taylor but you automatically assume that what Gural says is the gospel. Fuck that list , the man says he never bought or distributed EPO .   Let’s see the proof , not some Meadowlands made up list that one of Gural’s homo subordinates printed out . A lot of people on here have been talking about the federal government and the FBI ,  but I haven’t heard that Mr Taylor was charged with any crimes.  If he did what Gural says he did wouldn’t he have been charged with some kind of crime ?   But not charged with anything, why would that be ?  I’ll tell you why, because the guy didn’t break any laws .
Weather Howard broke the law or not, Mr Gural gets to say who can and who can’t race at his racetracks. Don’t like it, go race somewhere else. It’s gurals track so it’s his rules.
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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2023, 12:19:19 AM »
     Here’s another newsflash !    Most horsemen could care less if they race at Meadowlands, they race two nights a week with trackmaster and amateur races dominating the cards.   The money’s better at Yonkers and you don’t have to deal with a piece of garbage like Gural.   

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2023, 12:29:17 AM »
     Here’s another newsflash !    Most horsemen could care less if they race at Meadowlands, they race two nights a week with trackmaster and amateur races dominating the cards.   The money’s better at Yonkers and you don’t have to deal with a piece of garbage like Gural.
Well then that’s the way to go if you like watching Bartlett go around in circles at winning 3/5 all night. Not my cup of tea but to each his own.
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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #116 on: December 15, 2023, 10:22:08 AM »
Just got confirmation right from the source so I’ll say it again for the millionth time.   There is no proof or evidence that Mr Taylor purchased or distributed any kind of performance enhancing drug.   You people can quote any source that you want     No proof No evidence that anything like this occurred.    Gural can keep Howard Taylor out of his races At the Meadowlands.   Hambletonian Society and New Jersey sire stakes Mr Gural can whistle Dixie, he has no control to stop anybody from racing in those races.  Whatever you people think Howard Taylor purchased, there is no proof that it was anything illegal.   We don’t live in China  We don’t live in Russia ,  in our country there has to be proof.   A bunch of blowhards shooting their mouths off on Horseplop does not constitute proof.

Hey genious - In howard's OWN court filing they admit it wasn't EPO.  They say "peptide mimtetic specifically designed to be like EPO" So you made something to look and act like epo but not test.  Either way you slice it that's a PED and you ordered it and used it.  You specifically used something you knew would not test and that's a conspiracy.  Howard is about to get himself indicted with his stupid defammation suit.  He's going to hang himself.

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #117 on: December 15, 2023, 10:26:46 AM »
Hey genious - In howard's OWN court filing they admit it wasn't EPO.  They say "peptide mimtetic specifically designed to be like EPO" So you made something to look and act like epo but not test.  Either way you slice it that's a PED and you ordered it and used it.  You specifically used something you knew would not test and that's a conspiracy.  Howard is about to get himself indicted with his stupid defammation suit.  He's going to hang himself.

We can only hope.


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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #118 on: December 15, 2023, 05:50:24 PM »
Hey genious - In howard's OWN court filing they admit it wasn't EPO.  They say "peptide mimtetic specifically designed to be like EPO" So you made something to look and act like epo but not test.  Either way you slice it that's a PED and you ordered it and used it.  You specifically used something you knew would not test and that's a conspiracy.  Howard is about to get himself indicted with his stupid defammation suit.  He's going to hang himself.

That would be poetic justice!   tmbz1

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Re: Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation
« Reply #119 on: December 15, 2023, 06:13:19 PM »
Hey genious - In howard's OWN court filing they admit it wasn't EPO.  They say "peptide mimtetic specifically designed to be like EPO" So you made something to look and act like epo but not test.  Either way you slice it that's a PED and you ordered it and used it.  You specifically used something you knew would not test and that's a conspiracy.  Howard is about to get himself indicted with his stupid defammation suit.  He's going to hang himself.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. I CANT BELIEVE HE WOULDNT JUST LAY LOW AND PUT HIS HORSES ON SOMEONE ELSE NAME LIKE MOST OF THEM ON LIST ARE DOING OR ALREADY HAVE. IN MY OPINION EVEN IF HOWARD WINS, HE LOSES!
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