Howard Taylor Sues Jeff Gural For Defamation

[Bitter Truth]

 Like I said, he's still racing all over. You see and hear on here of people being popped for EPO and slapped on the wrist depending on who they are. It's apparently not considered that egregious by many governing racing bodies. You want to talk about lack of intelligence? All of us talking and bitching about the obvious cheats and juicers in this sport, yet we continue to follow it and wager on it.

[LAW AND ORDER]

Like I said, he's still racing all over. You see and hear on here of people being popped for EPO and slapped on the wrist depending on who they are. It's apparently not considered that egregious by many governing racing bodies. You want to talk about lack of intelligence? All of us talking and bitching about the obvious cheats and juicers in this sport, yet we continue to follow it and wager on it.

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. I FOLLOW BUT STOPPED WAGERING TWO YEARS AGO. JUST CAN'T BEAT THE CHEATS AND I DON'T WANT TO BET 3/5 EVERY RACE. CAME TO THE CONCLUSION AFTER 35 YEARS OF BETTING AND HAVING A HECK OF FUN, THAT I JUST CAN'T BEAT THEM TODAY. SO I STILL LOVE TO FOLLOW

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Like I said, he's still racing all over. You see and hear on here of people being popped for EPO and slapped on the wrist depending on who they are. It's apparently not considered that egregious by many governing racing bodies. You want to talk about lack of intelligence? All of us talking and bitching about the obvious cheats and juicers in this sport, yet we continue to follow it and wager on it.

Show me one trainer that got an EPO positive and didn't get suspended for at least 1 year.

[Bitter Truth]

 You make the point. For something that is portrayed [which I'm not doubting or questioning] as being 'SO BAD' , isn't 'AT LEAST 1 YR.' a slap on the wrist? 

[Larry Bird Boy]

You make the point. For something that is portrayed [which I'm not doubting or questioning] as being 'SO BAD' , isn't 'AT LEAST 1 YR.' a slap on the wrist?

Ask the person who is serving that one year suspension is that’s a slap on the wrist and you’ll get your answer.

[LUCPARK]

i have 1 question

IF EVERYONE IS INNOCENT

IF THESE NAMES GURAL POSTED AS BUYING SOME KINDA ILLEGAL PRODUCT ISNT TRUE

WHERE DID GURAL  GET THE NAMES OUT OF A FCKIN HAT OR BOX OF CRACKERJACKS ..

STOP FCKIN BITCHING ,,

DID THE CRIME NOW DO THE TIME ..AND DO IT WITH FCKIN DIGNITY ..

WDF IS WRONG WITH ACCEPTING RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS..

[Larry Bird Boy]

i have 1 question

IF EVERYONE IS INNOCENT

IF THESE NAMES GURAL POSTED AS BUYING SOME KINDA ILLEGAL PRODUCT ISNT TRUE

WHERE DID GURAL  GET THE NAMES OUT OF A FCKIN HAT OR BOX OF CRACKERJACKS ..

STOP FCKIN BITCHING ,,

DID THE CRIME NOW DO THE TIME ..AND DO IT WITH FCKIN DIGNITY ..

WDF IS WRONG WITH ACCEPTING RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS..

I think if you’re a good Christian family man that should count as good credit and you shouldn’t have to do the time. Heard it from a friend

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

You make the point. For something that is portrayed [which I'm not doubting or questioning] as being 'SO BAD' , isn't 'AT LEAST 1 YR.' a slap on the wrist?

I wrote at least 1 year, not maximum 1 year shit for brains. For example John Wagner got 5 years for an EPO positive.

[boscoman]

      You people make me laugh ,  New York Pennsylvania, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana , Maryland, Kentucky all have no problem with Howard Taylor but you automatically assume that what Gural says is the gospel. Fuck that list , the man says he never bought or distributed EPO .   Let’s see the proof , not some Meadowlands made up list that one of Gural’s homo subordinates printed out . A lot of people on here have been talking about the federal government and the FBI ,  but I haven’t heard that Mr Taylor was charged with any crimes.  If he did what Gural says he did wouldn’t he have been charged with some kind of crime ?   But not charged with anything, why would that be ?  I’ll tell you why, because the guy didn’t break any laws . 

[SeattleSlew]

      You people make me laugh ,  New York Pennsylvania, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana , Maryland, Kentucky all have no problem with Howard Taylor but you automatically assume that what Gural says is the gospel. Fuck that list , the man says he never bought or distributed EPO .   Let’s see the proof , not some Meadowlands made up list that one of Gural’s homo subordinates printed out . A lot of people on here have been talking about the federal government and the FBI ,  but I haven’t heard that Mr Taylor was charged with any crimes.  If he did what Gural says he did wouldn’t he have been charged with some kind of crime ?   But not charged with anything, why would that be ?  I’ll tell you why, because the guy didn’t break any laws .

On this forum, how does one "ignore" a poster??

[The Exporter]

Ask the person who is serving that one year suspension is that’s a slap on the wrist and you’ll get your answer.

The bigger question, is it an effective deterrent, 1 year suspension?

[Generation XYZ]

The bigger question, is it an effective deterrent, 1 year suspension?

I think the fine should fit the crime, same as it does outside of harness racing.

[bond]

      You people make me laugh ,  New York Pennsylvania, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana , Maryland, Kentucky all have no problem with Howard Taylor but you automatically assume that what Gural says is the gospel. Fuck that list , the man says he never bought or distributed EPO .   Let’s see the proof , not some Meadowlands made up list that one of Gural’s homo subordinates printed out . A lot of people on here have been talking about the federal government and the FBI ,  but I haven’t heard that Mr Taylor was charged with any crimes.  If he did what Gural says he did wouldn’t he have been charged with some kind of crime ?   But not charged with anything, why would that be ?  I’ll tell you why, because the guy didn’t break any laws .

IMHO--buying products from Fishman was not a crime. Thats why no one who purchased this shit-got charged by the FBI. No one seems to understand Mr Gural's position.
 If you remember-the FBI analyzed all of Fishmans products. What that showed was these products were all mislabeled and what they contained was NOT what was supposed to be in the bottle. Most of them contained cheap materials.
BB3 --I'm pretty sure didn't contain any EPO--Nada. This is because Fishman was a conman, thief, and a cheap POS ripping off clients. He portrayed ALL his products as having therapeutic properties--without any FDA approval.  So I'm guessing based on the evidence--that BB3 was NOT EPO because Fishman was in the business of making designer non detectable drugs--would not show even in Out of Competition testing. It was probably some designer drug that may or may not--have had EPO effects. Remember Fishman never sold it as EPO it was BB3. When did BB3 turn into EPO??? If this is correct--then Taylor will say he never purchased EPO--which he didn't. I'm sure if BB3 was EPO--we would have heard about that from the FBI. Where IMHO the problem arises with Taylor--is why was he buying Blood Boosting drugs non-FDA approved from Fishman?? Taylor may be in even bigger trouble if it turns out that BB3 was an illegal designer drug with EPO like effects--or even similar or better.!! So either way IMHO---Howard Taylor could be in bigger trouble now he's throwing it out there. Thats why Gural has thrown out all those that purchased BB3 because it was a designer drug meant to cheat-end of story.

[Yonkers1A]

Some great points I would love to know exactly what BB 3 is

[Bitter Truth]

 From the comments I read on here, most would say a life-time ban would be in order. Therefore comparatively , a one year ban would be a slap on the wrist.