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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2023, 08:00:56 PM »
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2023, 08:50:22 PM »
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2023, 09:01:25 PM »
Delmonica Hanover  Several times
Nevele Pride  Several times
Albatross and many of the Grand Circuit Horses that raced at Sportsman's Park in it's hay day.
I am just an old horse trainer still going around in circles. Sometimes Fast. Sometimes Half-Fast.

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2023, 09:12:15 PM »
I guess I'm getting old and my memory is foggy. I remember Artsplace winning a big race at YR. What was impressive was he kept the field single file most of the mile, he led every step.

i think you speak of Art Major

no worries--i have been in a fog for years

fairly sure Artsplace never competed at Yonkers
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2023, 09:21:16 PM »
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2023, 11:23:23 PM »
I guess I'm getting old and my memory is foggy. I remember Artsplace winning a big race at YR. What was impressive was he kept the field single file most of the mile, he led every step.

You're not that old yet and your memory is not that foggy yet either. Artsplace won the US Pacing Championship at Yonkers -- setting a new all age track record -- in 1:52.1

Go check out the race. It was an incredibly impressive performance. Most people don't truly understand how much talent that horse actually had.
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2023, 09:46:11 AM »
You're not that old yet and your memory is not that foggy yet either. Artsplace won the US Pacing Championship at Yonkers -- setting a new all age track record -- in 1:52.1

Go check out the race. It was an incredibly impressive performance. Most people don't truly understand how much talent that horse actually had.

https://youtu.be/Gvnd_Ch7Awk?si=r3W_XGOnnRiRNXTB

Artsplace won the US Pacing Championship at The Meadowlands in 1992

unless they had another US Pacing Championship at Yonkers the same year


i say Artsplace never competed at Yonkers unless it was his 2yo season in 1990

if he did--please show me video or a chart

thank you
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2023, 10:11:02 AM »
I only remember Artsplace racing once on a half and that was at 3 in the Dancer at Freehold, which he won.

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2023, 10:12:22 AM »
I only remember Artsplace racing once on a half and that was at 3 in the Dancer at Freehold, which he won.

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2023, 11:58:06 AM »
You're not that old yet and your memory is not that foggy yet either. Artsplace won the US Pacing Championship at Yonkers -- setting a new all age track record -- in 1:52.1

Go check out the race. It was an incredibly impressive performance. Most people don't truly understand how much talent that horse actually had.

I am aware that i broke some secret unwritten rule

"Though shall not speak against Artsplace"

but i didnt--he was great

but this is a classic example of folks remembering  and believing what they want

yes, Artsplace at pompano as a 2yo
yes, Artsplace undefeated as a 4yo-spectacular

but nobody wants to talk about Precious Bunny completely dominating him in 1991--ALL YEAR LONG

they faced about 10 or 11 times with Precious Bunny winning 8 or 9 of them

yes, Robinson gas

one could easily say, considering how " great " he was at two--and his undefeated season at age 4..that Artsplace had one of the most disappointing 3yo seasons ever in 1991
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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2023, 12:18:22 PM »
https://youtu.be/Gvnd_Ch7Awk?si=r3W_XGOnnRiRNXTB

Artsplace won the US Pacing Championship at The Meadowlands in 1992

unless they had another US Pacing Championship at Yonkers the same year


i say Artsplace never competed at Yonkers unless it was his 2yo season in 1990

if he did--please show me video or a chart

thank you

http://www.fact-index.com/y/yo/yonkers_raceway.html

Check 1992.

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2023, 12:21:44 PM »
http://www.fact-index.com/y/yo/yonkers_raceway.html

Check 1992.

OK I stand corrected--there were more than 1 US Pacing Championships that year causing me to be confused

i did mention i have been in a fog for years

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2023, 12:26:59 PM »
I am aware that i broke some secret unwritten rule

"Though shall not speak against Artsplace"

but i didnt--he was great

but this is a classic example of folks remembering  and believing what they want

yes, Artsplace at pompano as a 2yo
yes, Artsplace undefeated as a 4yo-spectacular

but nobody wants to talk about Precious Bunny completely dominating him in 1991--ALL YEAR LONG

they faced about 10 or 11 times with Precious Bunny winning 8 or 9 of them

yes, Robinson gas

one could easily say, considering how " great " he was at two--and his undefeated season at age 4..that Artsplace had one of the most disappointing 3yo seasons ever in 1991

Almost everyone I know -- everyone in the business -- knows it's common knowledge that Artsplace was not healthy for a major portion of his three year old year. You can say whatever you want against Artsplace -- even that I imagined him at YR and it's a figment of my own imagination. I didn't own him, train him or anything of the like. Sick or not during his 3yo year, that takes zero away from Precious Bunny.

But if you ask HOD drivers and trainers who saw both, experts in the sport who saw both -- would Artsplace or Precious Bunny make it onto your top 3 of the last 30 or so years, it would be a lopsided poll.

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2023, 12:34:55 PM »
Almost everyone I know -- everyone in the business -- knows it's common knowledge that Artsplace was not healthy for a major portion of his three year old year. You can say whatever you want against Artsplace -- even that I imagined him at YR and it's a figment of my own imagination. I didn't own him, train him or anything of the like. Sick or not during his 3yo year, that takes zero away from Precious Bunny.

But if you ask HOD drivers and trainers who saw both, experts in the sport who saw both -- would Artsplace or Precious Bunny make it onto your top 3 of the last 30 or so years, it would be a lopsided poll.

Precious Bunny was all juiced up by Robinson all year and Artsplace was great, no contest-i have never disputed that

my point exactly is that few would rather discuss 1991--that year doesnt make Artsplace fans all warm and fuzzy inside

i saw them both live a few times against eachother

the Artsplace was " sick" holds less water than "Bunny was juiced up"

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Re: Who are the 3 best horses you saw race...LIVE!
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2023, 12:38:36 PM »
Albatross at RR was in A-2 and won as a 2yo
Overcall winner of 21 or 22 straight against Rum Customer, Fulla Napoleon and the like
Un De Mai beat Fresh Yankee several times and parked the mile and drew away from Nevele Pride

 

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