There used to be many more off tracks, muddy conditions, routinely off 3-5 seconds, now it takes a major downpour to make an off track. And is this surface good for the horses because I dont see many dominant 8 yr olds like there used to be. Quick Command and Rambling WIllie were stars at 8 and from Ive read were drugged quite a bit so maybe the surfaces have an impact.