The New York State Of Welfare

[Brown jug]

fyi mp
my  horses live/are treated  better than you

[Gaagoots]

I'm not gullible Gaag, but Mike is credible.

👍 I’m sure your not gullible

[TheGrimReaper]

I am always right because I use bold type and large print.  He who yells the loudest is always right.  What a bunch of bullshit.

[Harness racer]

👍 I’m sure your not gullible

There is a fine line between gullible and stupid! 

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

Er Uh……getting a horse ready to possibly compete in the business you despise. I can see clearly now.
And while in the city, interviewing a carriage driver, you ‘casually’ mentioned your active involvement in that same despised business.
Yup….im still a troll — pointing out the PetrelLIES as they occur.

Wrong again blows over the limit man.
Am I racing him? Nope.
Did I charge the owner to train him down? Nope, it's fun.
When we leased him out it was a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT lease.
No you're not a troll, you're a fool.
So CMJAKNEW nothing again.

[CMJAnew]

Wrong again blows over the limit man.
Am I racing him? Nope.
Did I charge the owner to train him down? Nope, it's fun.
When we leased him out it was a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT lease.
No you're not a troll, you're a fool.
So CMJAKNEW nothing again.

LOL…I see. Just playing around the edges of the sport…..while playing with words.
And, as for your statement to the carriage guy?
Still sounds like a couple PetrelLIEs to me.

[rainman2]

So Vernon and Monticello are welfare to horsemen?

[Superfecta]

So Vernon and Monticello are welfare to horsemen?

YES. It will end soon and the once Mighty M will be part of the 17B grave yard.
Vernon will end as soon as Mr Hypocrite dies and I think he’s in his 90’s.

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

So Vernon and Monticello are welfare to horsemen?

It's simple economics. When an "industry" loses money every minute and is propped up by revenue pumped in from the outside with absolutely no return to the donors, that's welfare. Though most in harness racing believe they are entitled to it. Screw those people in the real world who save lives or risk their own for the general public and get nothing when they're in trouble. #StallCleanersLivesMatter #HorseKillersLivesMatter #CriminalsArePeopleToo

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Debating the "welfare" argument is fallacious at best. Obviously the harness industry today is reliant upon "other" sources of monies. I couldn't care less if it's true subsidies from the state, supplemental monies to the purse account, payments for not having VLT's or other gambling, or whatever. However, if the people who run race tracks continue to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to reality----then yes, one day they may find themselves out of business. No, not Gulfstream, and not the Meadowlands, and not a key few others.

They will eventually turn to "alternative revenue sources" -- entertainment, hospitality, real estate, and yes, casinos. My hope is that a track that is owned and operated by a real horseman, like Gural, get a casino. I also don't want to see a company that owns a racetrack, that starts out as a company that is focused on racing, transition and abandon racing simply to become a casino company. I think these examples will be Gulfstream, the Meadowlands, Woodbine/Mohawk, probably one or two of the tracks in PA, and as far as the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic, too much political football, and CD is the lion who will eat what they kill. I'd like to see Santa Anita and Del Mar survive and thrive but I don't know if they will ever get the breathing room from the legislation, which is so stacked in the favor of the Indian tribes. NY is a bit of the same.

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

 

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

There. I just saved your "industry". 

[Kole Hanover]

 But you don't have a pot to piss in, you have never donated to any charity in your life. You're the grifter, drifter.

 Never met a hand out you didn't like...

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

But you don't have a pot to piss in, you have never donated to any charity in your life. You're the grifter, drifter.

 Never met a hand out you didn't like...

Prove it. Same way I can prove your entire industry survives off donations. Post your name .then post the proof. Other than that you existence is so empty you need to continue to hide and piss in the wind. 

[Brown jug]

mp
time to move on my friend
you are just regurgitating the same dribble
take a vacation or go play golf