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Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« on: August 10, 2024, 01:36:55 PM »
Before my time but some of my friends who were at the track before me say that Willie was really the horse that started all of the exotic drugs in harness racing. Yes or no?

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2024, 01:44:46 PM »
Before my time but some of my friends who were at the track before me say that Willie was really the horse that started all of the exotic drugs in harness racing. Yes or no?

If anything, Farrington wasn't afraid to drive him like a 2 claimer. Might have been the only horse to have 12 bowed tendons.
But "I'M" detrimental to the industry.

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2024, 02:23:26 PM »
I have no idea. He was the greatest race horse I've ever seen.
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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2024, 03:52:43 PM »
I have no idea. He was the greatest race horse I've ever seen.
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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2024, 09:00:47 PM »
I have no idea. He was the greatest race horse I've ever seen.
Sorry to hear that you never saw Bulldog Hanover.

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2024, 09:09:26 PM »
Sorry to hear you never saw Willie.
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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2024, 10:13:05 AM »
The Willie was awesome.. but so was the M99 at that time.!!

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2024, 10:42:52 AM »
Sorry to hear that you never saw Bulldog Hanover.

Sorry to hear you never saw Niatross tmbz1

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2024, 12:20:14 PM »
Ask Dean Collins he looked after him for a while. FACT

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2024, 03:03:25 PM »
In his day, Rambling Willie was a great horse. I think a lot of people look at him as more like a premier Open/Invitational pacer, but let's not forget he was aged pacer of the year three years in a row and retired as the leading money winner of all time. Yes, he numerous stakes races, more than once, but for the most part he did it the hard way. Won something like 120 plus races in 300 something starts. I saw him race in the years he won aged pacer of the year, and later, before he retired.

Would I put him on my list of top 10 list of aged pacers? Yes. Do I put RW on my top 10 of all time? Obviously as everyone knows, it's hard to compare eras, and then compound that with comparing all ages. This one raced at 2 and 3, and this one didn't race at 2 and 3, but did all this at 4, 5, 6, etc. That said, RW doesn't make my Top 10 list, but upon further reflection, he's probably close. I think horses of yesteryear tend to fade a bit in memory with the dramatizing of today's times, the horses today, and the landscape of the sport and business.   

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2024, 03:19:02 PM »
agree that todays world everyone stares at the clock


Bulldog Hanover
Always B Miki

for example

both very fast horses and fast times--but many of us old guys are not enamored by the final time or final quarter

times have changed--now all the talk is..."look at that final quarter", which is a metric of yesteryear's thinking

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2024, 05:08:57 PM »
Ask Dean Collins he looked after him for a while. FACT

I never knew that. He never mentioned it

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2024, 05:14:39 PM »
Ask Dean Collins he looked after him for a while. FACT

Dean Collins wouldn't know if a horse was doped if you stood in front of him and did it.  Nice guy but clueless.  Wish he still had a big barn of claimers.  Was the best person to claim off of.

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2024, 05:38:56 PM »
Rambling Willie was no Cam Fella.

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Re: Was Rambling Willie a juiced horse? Yes or No?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2024, 06:34:18 PM »
What time periods did the horses race?

Rambling Willie--years raced--1974-1983.  Raced 305 times.  Many of his races were on tracks before the Coons family started banking tracks for speed.  My understanding is that he raced at the Old Sportsman's Park which had very tight turns for a 5/8 mile track. 

Cam Fella--years raced--1981-1983---Raced only 80 times.

Niatross--years raced--1979-1980--raced only 39 times.  From what was said, the horse had no physical issues to overcome.

Who raced against tougher competition?

Who had more 'physical ailments' [Willie's bowed tendons from what people say]?

Was this the time period that the race bikes were changing to (conventional to modified)??

All 3 of them did not have a 'great driver' piloting them!

 

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