Biggest Bust 2024 - TDS / Andrew Harris Babies

[Miguel_Sanchez]

I can't think of a worst first crop than these Tall Dark Strangers.  So nice to pay 300k plus and be racing in KYSS c and d class.  Now, has anyone see anything of the Andrew Harris full brother / full sister catastrophe race and finish top three?

[The Thorn]

Many have been worse starting with Ralph Hanover and others before hm and going up to Betting Line.  TDS isn't that bad he's currently 8th in money earnings and Papi Rob is 7th.  Look at Bettors Delight with 134 foals which is way more than anyone else is 18th on the current earnings list for 2 year olds.  They are always known for late developing and it's possible that the same could happen for TDS.

[Brown jug]

concerned for sure but lets give it until the end of october and see

[TimTimTimbo]

Many sons of Bettor's Delight are failures. It's amazing. Bettor's Wish has a few nice ones. The Lazarus's are better with age IMO due to Christian Cullen who all get better at 3 and 4.

[Miguel_Sanchez]

yes but tall dark stranger has the best book of mares known to man and there very subpar!  He can't get better mares so how does he get better as a stud?

[Parked]

You will only read about the 3 or 4 big money winners. 

[Miguel_Sanchez]

You will only read about the 3 or 4 big money winners.

At this point that might not even be 100K

[JIDGE]

TDS is hardly a bust. Is he underperforming so far -- yes. Like his sire they may be late developing -- look at Nijinsky for example. Last September many were calling Greenshoe a bust -- now look at him -- 2nd. leading money winning 2yr. old sire.

[LUCPARK]

yes but tall dark stranger has the best book of mares known to man and there very subpar!  He can't get better mares so how does he get better as a stud?

i have a tall dark stranger

we like her

we pd 100k for her

shes been good not great but good

[Brown jug]

many of the best bred tds( and there was many for sure) are just starting to roll out in kentucky now so lets see
considering bettors wish group of mares he is producing some decent horses

and yes andrew harris and babies may not be a great fit  at least so far

[Grandstand Handicapper]

While I am sure the optics would not have been favorable, Harris conceivably could have sent the babies to Casie to break and train down. There are others too.

[hoosierboy]

i have a tall dark stranger

we like her

we pd 100k for her

shes been good not great but good

Has she raced Luc

[Miguel_Sanchez]

many of the best bred tds( and there was many for sure) are just starting to roll out in kentucky now so lets see
considering bettors wish group of mares he is producing some decent horses

and yes andrew harris and babies may not be a great fit  at least so far

There horrible - they all race in the c and d divisions!

[rainman2]

yes but tall dark stranger has the best book of mares known to man and there very subpar!  He can't get better mares so how does he get better as a stud?

FYI, this has happened at Hanover Shoe Farms over the past 50 years as well as other farms!

This is nothing new in the breeding business!

If/when this happens, the owners of the stallion that get the big initial 'stud fees the first 2/3 years of the stallion's career hit the market laugh all the way to the bank whether the babies are failures or successes!

[JIDGE]

There horrible - they all race in the c and d divisions!

TDS has 3 out of a 5 horse field in the 80K (1st. race) Championship Series tomorrow.