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[Grandstand Handicapper]

That’s right!
39-37-0-0
I saw him live at Batavia Downs in 1980 live and in person!
Read the stat line above!  How many times will Karl race?
39 starts seems very unlikely!!

Hear hear...how about one that raced multiple years...I remember reading Moni Maker was over 90% 1-2-3 lifetime...with over 100 lifetime starts. Varenne was probably about 95% with about 75 lifetime starts.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Hear hear...how about one that raced multiple years...I remember reading Moni Maker was over 90% 1-2-3 lifetime...with over 100 lifetime starts. Varenne was probably about 95% with about 75 lifetime starts.

No horse comes close to Bret Hanover..68 starts with 62 wins, 5 places and 1 show with 3 consecutive Horse of the year awards. In your words, nuff said.

[JT]

Hear hear...how about one that raced multiple years...I remember reading Moni Maker was over 90% 1-2-3 lifetime...with over 100 lifetime starts. Varenne was probably about 95% with about 75 lifetime starts.

That is why I always mention Peace Corps.. Moni Maker is the only trotter that made more then her and she had way more starts.. plus Peace Corps routinely raced against the boys and destroyed them moni maker won 67 of 109 starts.. Peace Corps won 62 of 93 starts with 81 times in the top 3

[JT]

No horse comes close to Bret Hanover..68 starts with 62 wins, 5 places and 1 show with 3 consecutive Horse of the year awards. In your words, nuff said.

As far as pacers go its a tie for me between Bret and Niatross for the GOAT.

[Papillon]

That is why I always mention Peace Corps.. Moni Maker is the only trotter that made more then her and she had way more starts.. plus Peace Corps routinely raced against the boys and destroyed them moni maker won 67 of 109 starts.. Peace Corps won 62 of 93 starts with 81 times in the top 3

Moni Maker frequently raced against the boys--winning two Nat Ray's

not sure who raced vs males more--but Moni Maker was better than you give her credit for

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

As far as pacers go its a tie for me between Bret and Niatross for the GOAT.

You certainly wouldn't be wrong with either

[Papillon]

No horse comes close to Bret Hanover..68 starts with 62 wins, 5 places and 1 show with 3 consecutive Horse of the year awards. In your words, nuff said.

No disagreeing with this

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

No disagreeing with this

[JT]

Moni Maker frequently raced against the boys--winning two Nat Ray's

not sure who raced vs males more--but Moni Maker was better than you give her credit for

I think Moni Maker was a phenomenal horse.. you don't bank almost 6 million by accident

[kooter for hipin]

   I'll take Foiled Again and Rambling Willie in a dead heat!       

[kooter for hipin]

No horse comes close to Bret Hanover..68 starts with 62 wins, 5 places and 1 show with 3 consecutive Horse of the year awards. In your words, nuff said.

Actually Mike, I think Bret was 62-0, Frank Erwin on the other hand was 0-5-1.. Anyway, aside from your sometimes SALTY rhetoric,  I agree with you a vast majority of the time. Evidently yours and my wheelhouse are about the same. Loved those 60's and 70's.   

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Actually Mike, I think Bret was 62-0, Frank Erwin on the other hand was 0-5-1.. Anyway, aside from your sometimes SALTY rhetoric,  I agree with you a vast majority of the time. Evidently yours and my wheelhouse are about the same. Loved those 60's and 70's.   

Adios Vic and Cardigan Bay got him once or twice but he was unreal even with Ervin.

[kooter for hipin]

Adios Vic and Cardigan Bay got him once or twice but he was unreal even with Ervin.

 True Duane got him once. Adios Vic 2nd over at Hollywood Park was basically the nuts.     

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

True Duane got him once. Adios Vic 2nd over at Hollywood Park was basically the nuts.     

I forgot about True Duane. He was only 3 when he beat 4 year old Bret. That race was out in California. It was a mile and an eighth. Boring was just a kid then. Any other year, True Duane would have been tops but he ran into Jerry Silverman and Romeo Hanover. I know one thing, those True Duane colts were racehorses. Tough to break though.

[kooter for hipin]

I forgot about True Duane. He was only 3 when he beat 4 year old Bret. That race was out in California. It was a mile and an eighth. Boring was just a kid then. Any other year, True Duane would have been tops but he ran into Jerry Silverman and Romeo Hanover. I know one thing, those True Duane colts were racehorses. Tough to break though.

I had a  True Duane colt. Named him True North. Just average, maybe A-3.  I also had a nice colt by Cold Front.  Remember him. I raced the off season at Hollywood park with Valarro, Vladingham, and Bob Farrington. That was a beautiful track until it became impossible to get to your car at night. What a shame? Do you happen to remember one of the fastest mares of the time? Her name was Maida Million. Eddie Cobb drove her and a few for me before he was forced to move The Ivanhoe Stable, which became The Nev-Cal Stable out West for one too many severe tote drops at Yonkers and Roosevelt. Jimmy Cruise Sr. had a great over-nighter Frank T. Ace.

Also, I just love the guys on here who think harness racing began at the Meadowlands. Well this one made 3million and this one made 6million like that means something. Well in his day, Bret, Horse of the year 3 times fell short of a million by $100,000. Oh, and by the way, Bret, True Duane, Adios Vic, et al, really raced on hay and oats. Food for thought for phonies like Ronnie and Jimmy and a plethora of others who deserve nothing less than an asterick and perhaps crucifixion. Let us not forget our previous Trainer of the Year, Jen Bongiorno, and some of the dummies on Plop who believe she really trained horses. Well where is she now? Maybe she stepped on a rusty nail and had to retire? As I have said on previous posts, she didn't know which end of the horse the shit came out of.  Sorry, I am just in education mode tonight.