AMac

[Meadow Ford]

Regardless how anyone feels about him, his concept is working. New owners are in the game. Trainers whose careers were over have been resurrected. It’s easy to find negatives such as his driving style but at the end of the day, his clients are getting what they signed up for.  Entertainment.

[Meadow Ford]

I don't know if it's jealousy or what, but he's delivering exactly what he promised...an experience. Exposure to the sport and business, a taste of what it's like, visit the farm, feed carrots to your horse, whatever. He didn't pitch this as an investment, a money making opportunity, etc. For whatever reason, a lot people choose to throw stones and criticize...his driving, training, acquisitions, and so forth... I guess if you can do a better job, go ahead and do it. If not and your thing is to throw stones, keep doing it. Other trainers are doing different things, some legit, some not. Bad apples in every industry. AMac IMO is not one of them,

[Meadow Ford]

I've seen a lot of discussion on this topic the last few months and my thoughts are nobody is twisting the owners arms to be involved in this venture. If I was a partial owner with the group I would look at it as pure entertainment... not a way to make money.. just like a trip to the casino. Do you hope to win? Yes absolutely. Do you know that you probably won't. Yes absolutely. It's for entertainment and just for the recognition of being a horse owner. Let's be real AMac isn't a great driver.. I'm sure the owners know he's not Dexter Dunn or David Miller. I've never met the guy but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes..and you would hope most people involved know what they are getting into.. and if they don't then that's their fault.

[Bitter Truth]

I have a buddy who has had and currently have some shares. He seems to like it.
Wouldn't be my cup of tea when you have no say of drivers or trainers. I agree, AMac
is the only one making any significant $$. Bottom line, it's their $$ and time. If you
don't like it , don't get involved.

[Meadow Ford]

I have a buddy who has had and currently have some shares. He seems to like it.
Wouldn't be my cup of tea when you have no say of drivers or trainers. I agree, AMac
is the only one making any significant $$. Bottom line, it's their $$ and time. If you
don't like it , don't get involved.

[Any1Left]

I guess i am starting to see my wrongs in the way i have been thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lets look at all the pleasure older people are getting out of giving televangelist all their hard earned cash and like you guys say,,,,,,,,No one is twisting their arms and look how happy some of these people are when shown pictures of where their hard earned money has gone and also look how many people are in a better place under the JIMMY SWAGERTS of this world,,,,,,,,,,,,Also lets look at the people that invest with telemarketers and yes they lose their money but the experiance of investing and been told you are doing well and keep investing,,,,,,,

[sfdecoy]

I guess i am starting to see my wrongs in the way i have been thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lets look at all the pleasure older people are getting out of giving televangelist all their hard earned cash and like you guys say,,,,,,,,No one is twisting their arms and look how happy some of these people are when shown pictures of where their hard earned money has gone and also look how many people are in a better place under the JIMMY SWAGERTS of this world,,,,,,,,,,,,Also lets look at the people that invest with telemarketers and yes they lose their money but the experiance of investing and been told you are doing well and keep investing,,,,,,,

Perfect analogy...AFraud is WITHOUT QUESTION the Jimmy Swaggart of harness racing. I love it....so true!

[rainman2]

Perfect analogy...AFraud is WITHOUT QUESTION the Jimmy Swaggart of harness racing. I love it....so true!

Is it right/moral?
Is it wrong/ethical?

It is what it is!  If/when the judicial systems have to deal with it, they will!

Look at the politicians today and how they ("legally"??) 'swindle' [Aka Jimmy Swaggart (correct spelling)] the masses!

[Any1Left]

Today the justice system does not get it right or get involved in most cases,,,,,,,,,,Just look at DISNEY ,,,,,,,    Most people today can not afford the plane ticket and the cost of hotels plus the over price tickets to enter DISNEY and then the super expensive snacks but they have way to tough of a time to say no to the stair of a 7 year old they love and yes the experience is great but why cant Disney be more fair and do their immoral price gauging in a more fair manner,,,,,,,,,,, Why is Amac charging for hotels when he is not a top tier driver and why is he driving and why does he make all decisions ,,,,,,,,,,, If you have a world champion and it is not about the money then how is he able to sell,,,,,,,,,,,,,How many owners in this game have trainers telling them to buy a horse and in many cases the owner gets ripped off,,,,,,,, This guy is unchecked and his bills are not fair market price and yes a 1 or 2 percent owner is not going to lose a house but why does he have to lose all the time,,,,,,,,Also i believe that Amac makes many posts on his human kindness that is not real.

[ferdinand the bull]

I've seen a lot of discussion on this topic the last few months and my thoughts are nobody is twisting the owners arms to be involved in this venture. If I was a partial owner with the group I would look at it as pure entertainment... not a way to make money.. just like a trip to the casino. Do you hope to win? Yes absolutely. Do you know that you probably won't. Yes absolutely. It's for entertainment and just for the recognition of being a horse owner. Let's be real AMac isn't a great driver.. I'm sure the owners know he's not Dexter Dunn or David Miller. I've never met the guy but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes..and you would hope most people involved know what they are getting into.. and if they don't then that's their fault.

Bottom line the guy has resuccitated his own career and the careers of his trainers which were on life support before thestable came to be, all the power to him. He takes full advantage at the expense of other people's money buying horses for races that he otherwise would never have had the opportunity to drive in , good for him . Not much different then trainers that have latched onto owners with bottomless pockets, they'd never race in the elite races without the cash cows.
Your point about the constant need to bring attention to his " human kindness" is true and over the years become nauseating,  if someone is truly doing good deeds or acts of kindness or gratitude they do so without needing the fan fare or posting about every text you send a driver that was given an opportunity solely because his plane couldn't depart on time.
He and his family are living very comfortable lives and give him credit for finding his niche and being successful financially in a business that very very few people actually make money at.
Can't wait for a track  announcer to read this thread and give the new moniker The Evangelist loved the Swaggart analogy

[dinkadoo]

I currently own two Standardbreds and 11 runners thru microshare ownership.
Been a pretty cool venture and with the communication I’ve seen the vast difference in training runners vs harness.

My goal is the experience and in the event I make a few bucks,”… great
But I’m realistic to know that a vast majority of horses will not make money.

So far I’ve owned a microshare of
Derby Winner
Preakness Winner
Win photo at Churchill and Keenland and other tracks that was not there.
I’ve made money so far with 5 and depending on Seize The Grey next couple of performances will probably be a head overall, but that wasn’t why I got in.

The GREAT A MAC debate has been going on years. With comments from actual owners being mostly positive as they have realistic understandings.

The days of single ownership is almost extinct as cost as prices of horses continue to rise.

Just my take

Most the negative I read are from those not involved.

[Mazola]

I currently own two Standardbreds and 11 runners thru microshare ownership.
Been a pretty cool venture and with the communication I’ve seen the vast difference in training runners vs harness.

My goal is the experience and in the event I make a few bucks,”… great
But I’m realistic to know that a vast majority of horses will not make money.

So far I’ve owned a microshare of
Derby Winner
Preakness Winner
Win photo at Churchill and Keenland and other tracks that was not there.
I’ve made money so far with 5 and depending on Seize The Grey next couple of performances will probably be a head overall, but that wasn’t why I got in.

The GREAT A MAC debate has been going on years. With comments from actual owners being mostly positive as they have realistic understandings.

The days of single ownership is almost extinct as cost as prices of horses continue to rise.

Just my take

Most the negative I read are from those not involved.

[FreedomHill]

I don't know if it's jealousy or what, but he's delivering exactly what he promised...an experience. Exposure to the sport and business, a taste of what it's like, visit the farm, feed carrots to your horse, whatever. He didn't pitch this as an investment, a money making opportunity, etc. For whatever reason, a lot people choose to throw stones and criticize...his driving, training, acquisitions, and so forth... I guess if you can do a better job, go ahead and do it. If not and your thing is to throw stones, keep doing it. Other trainers are doing different things, some legit, some not. Bad apples in every industry. AMac IMO is not one of them,

I agree 

[FreedomHill]

I currently own two Standardbreds and 11 runners thru microshare ownership.
Been a pretty cool venture and with the communication I’ve seen the vast difference in training runners vs harness.

My goal is the experience and in the event I make a few bucks,”… great
But I’m realistic to know that a vast majority of horses will not make money.

So far I’ve owned a microshare of
Derby Winner
Preakness Winner
Win photo at Churchill and Keenland and other tracks that was not there.
I’ve made money so far with 5 and depending on Seize The Grey next couple of performances will probably be a head overall, but that wasn’t why I got in.

The GREAT A MAC debate has been going on years. With comments from actual owners being mostly positive as they have realistic understandings.

The days of single ownership is almost extinct as cost as prices of horses continue to rise.

Just my take

Most the negative I read are from those not involved.

 

[Any1Left]

Amac the good guy,,,,,,,,,,, His success started when he started giving horses to WILLIAM RHODES a couple years back and i think he gave a few to Ron burke and i can say for sure that carrots in a bill Rhodes horse would be a foreign item to the horses system,,,,,,,,,,,,,, To me it all sounds like a fairy tale with carrots and hugs and kisses from female grooms that have no clue to smiles when they hit the wire first,,,,,  What a beautiful story as it brings me back to the Del MILLER days of pure racing,,,,,,,, And the three little pigs lived happily ever after,,,,,,The end,,,,,,,,,