Joe is not incompetent. He's certainly not dangerous. However, he is not a legit top driver IMO. You can look at stats and money won all you want, but that is not what dictates a great driver. Joe does not rate anywhere near the top in any category you would rate a driver in. One reason being is that he didn't get his experience the old-fashion way-----by driving all kinds of horses, crazies, cripples, problematic horses, and so on, and drive them hundreds of times and have thousands of drives where you actually learn how to be a an all around, total, complete, horseman and driver. When you win 5000 races as a driver, you learn more from the other 28 or 30,000 drives you didn't win.