Another Horrible Display

[Any1Left]

I remember being at HOLLYWOOD PARK when ZENYATTA RAN AND I played against him as it was a speed biased track and i lost with a smile on my face as i just seen something special but i have to go back to LeBaron Rouge to remember something in harness racing that excited me from a fans standpoint ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AT the t breds i know when they go 44.1 for four furlongs its going to be bombs away and at harness racing when they go 53.3 and its Burke i just sit and watch and not ever am i sure that the 53 second half would be to fast or to slow and i cant use the words of super horse,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.

Chew on this shit for brains. The Hambo has moved about 4 or 5 times. Do you purposely try to look stupid or are you just that much of an idiot.

[JT]

Chew on this shit for brains. The Hambo has moved about 4 or 5 times. Do you purposely try to look stupid or are you just that much of an idiot.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The Jug has been in my town for almost 80 years now. It means everything to this community. The high school here is named the Pacers. It will never move nor should it so get over it. If you moved the jug and Jugette to a big track or rotated it like you suggested, Delaware would turn into just another county fair just like all the other 88 county fairs in Ohio. Part of the Greatness of the jug is its setting. Smelling the fair food, hearing the kids screaming on the rides, seeing friends from all parts of the country and Canada that you haven't seen for a year and catching up. Not to mention the fastest half mile track in the country. If you've never attended you wouldn't understand. Could they make some improvements absolutely... but it's ingrained as part of the history of harness racing and it should be cherished not shit on.

[Dr. O]

Little brown jug is amazing! I would love to have a horse race in the jug! Enjoy it while it lasts and stop complaining! There will be few if any new fans to this game no matter what you do. Once casino subsidies end, it will be over. Embrace the moment and the history while it lasts.

[rainman2]

Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.

Again, another intelligent post here on horseplop!

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.

If you lived to be 500, you wouldn't know as much about Harness Racing as Mike Petrelli. You're a moron.

[rainman2]

If you lived to be 500, you wouldn't know as much about Harness Racing as Mike Petrelli. You're a moron.

Ah, "The Beat Goes On"!

Why don't you 'rank' everyone here on horseplop on who has more 'harness racing "knowledge"' along with any other insights not withstanding ownership, breeding, training, et al.

Mamy of us on horseplop see how limited you really are when it comes to knowledge, etc.!

All that is seen is lewd, crude, nasty comments when we don't agree with you!  SAD, VERY SAD INDEED!!

How much money does Karl's 'connections' pay you for 'touting' him here?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[gh2009]

Other than Keeneland, Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Delmar in the summer, on-track attendance at racetracks is almost non-existent except for special events. The LBJ's attendance may not be what it once used to but it's several times more than Meadowlands does on Hambo Day because it's an event so why would you even think about moving it?

[M P]

Ah, "The Beat Goes On"!

Why don't you 'rank' everyone here on horseplop on who has more 'harness racing "knowledge"' along with any other insights not withstanding ownership, breeding, training, et al.

Mamy of us on horseplop see how limited you really are when it comes to knowledge, etc.!

All that is seen is lewd, crude, nasty comments when we don't agree with you!  SAD, VERY SAD INDEED!!

How much money does Karl's 'connections' pay you for 'touting' him here?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Everyone's is a genius with strong opinions when they can post like cowards. Personally I prefer common sense and facts over everything else. Something sorely lacking here. Fact, everyone knew Freehold was in trouble right? Nobody lifted a finger. And to say that harness racing is even remotely successful as an industry right now is ignorant. My point is one by one the industry shrinks. How many tracks closing will it take before everyone as a group finally wakes up and fights for their industry? The leaders aren't doing anything. Tell me what the SBOANJ did about Freehold? The few horsemen who went to the SBOANJ, spoke with Al Ochsner got nowhere. People who did sit down with ideas and listed the concerns of the Freehold horsemen. They did NOTHING. The so called representatives. So what about all the prophets here with the answers? Come out of hiding and do something.

[The Exporter]

What is the Freehold Raceway property worth? What is it worth as a host of live harness racing?
Bottom line is almost always, the bottom line. Everything else is emotion and noise.

[Any1Left]

Mike not to sound cold like someone with a cold heart but i do not find sadness in its closing as no honest person is getting hurt,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Honest trainers never winning races with small purses and owners getting killed with small purses plus grooms that walk around with no money is not what i call sad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Truth is the only people making money are crooked vets plus drug trainers and management that needs to be fired and also useless judges that get way overpaid,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The good memories people have are gone as i see nothing good happening now or the future plus those honest trainers that race clean and sit back and do nothing are also guilty,,,,,,,,,, At the JUG an inquiry was put up and the crew was calling it rare when Dan Noble put it up but to me Dan noble gets no credit for the inquiry as i never see him put one up and it just happens to be that the driver he placed the inquiry on was black,,,,,,,,,,,,, Just a fluke i guess ,,,,,,,,,,,,If BRETT MILLER was the other driver would that inquiry go up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[gh2009]

At the bigger tracks, the top jockeys will rarely claim foul against each other unless the stewards post the inquiry sign first and the interference is blatant. It's like the buddy system in harness racing where drivers routinely give holes to other drivers rather than closing it up.

[M P]

What is the Freehold Raceway property worth? What is it worth as a host of live harness racing?
Bottom line is almost always, the bottom line. Everything else is emotion and noise.

Simply put, everything is worth more on that property compared to harness racing. Build a factory and outlet store that manufactures 8-tracks and rotary phones, it will have more customers than the racetrack.

[Brown jug]

mp, please provide some facts that pickleball has more viewers than harness racing
over 52 weeks, all tracks combined, all sources of viewing, live and via internet and off track

also to mp and mike campbell,the nfl is a juggernaut  for gambling and viewership( lets say it is t bred racing) , the nhl hockey is so far behind you cant even compare the two( lets say it is harness racing)
but yet the nhl is successful in its own right, owners and players making money, fans enjoying the game  should it just fold its tent and go away

so just because harness racing cant compare to tbreds should it just fold up and go away

[M P]

mp, please provide some facts that pickleball has more viewers than harness racing
over 52 weeks, all tracks combined, all sources of viewing, live and via internet and off track

also to mp and mike campbell,the nfl is a juggernaut  for gambling and viewership( lets say it is t bred racing) , the nhl hockey is so far behind you cant even compare the two( lets say it is harness racing)
but yet the nhl is successful in its own right, owners and players making money, fans enjoying the game  should it just fold its tent and go away

so just because harness racing cant compare to tbreds should it just fold up and go away

It loses money each day. Without being propped up it would be gone. And even with help it's dying a slow and painful death. What blows me away is people being surprised or shocked with news like Freehold. Get your heads out of the sand and at least try. On the other hand, it's still a product the public doesn't want and we really can't change what it is. Add in I found out the hard way going to the powers that be is futile. They are only worried about controlling the money and taking as much as they can for themselves.