All American.....four phase dispersal

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Truly the end of an era.....

https://harnessracingupdate.com/2024/09/25/the-end-of-an-all-americanera/

[rainman2]

My first horse that I owned was bred by Allamerican Standardbreds!

I had a chance to meet with Fred Hertrich at Harrisburg in 2007 prior to breeding my mare Allamerican Fancy.  He was at his barn/stable taking care of business.  I had a chance to ask him a few questions that he answered.

A very nice gentleman to say the very least

After he/they is out of the business, will anyone pick up the slack or will the choices get smaller and smaller?

Time will tell!

[Kirbys Ace]

Freddy has always been a cheap skate millionaire and realizes that quality mares cost way more nowadays than he cares to spend. They can spin it anyway they want but it all comes down to money! Even though their 4th in breeding this year the profit margins are thin. That simple. The car dealerships are the priority with that being so so right now it's time to move on. If it was very profitable those people would be replaced in a heartbeat!

His main love is the Thoroughbreds!

[Parked]

I have not considered any of their yearlings for years as they push and bid in way too many for me..

[The Thorn]

In 85 and 86 I published a statistical report on all horses sold at yearling sales starting in 1980. This was before computers and media got cheap. I had to spends thousands on what was called a Bernoulli Box and used ten meg removable cartridges for storage. Excel did not even exist then, and I had to write a program in DBase2 to do the statistics.

I called it the Cross Report and advertised in Hoofbeats those two years. Fred Hertrich was one of my first customers and bought it both years. I never met the man but since it was in the first couple years of his operation it had to have had some influence.
 
I did meet King Myron (who wasn't even a prince back then) who contacted me about the report and invited me to the Big M and introduced me to Arlene Traub but that was about it. Had I gotten a booth at the sales I would have sold many more, but being a young no nothing person with no family in the business I didn't know what kind of response I would get and if it would be successful, so I didn't do that. Big Mistake.

Anyway, the report was clear that offspring of Abercrombie were the best to invest in as yearlings. This was just before Artsplace was bred and Bell did get one of the reports that proved that. I don't know if he was associated with Brittany back then, but it would be fun if he told Segal about it.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

In 85 and 86 I published a statistical report on all horses sold at yearling sales starting in 1980. This was before computers and media got cheap. I had to spends thousands on what was called a Bernoulli Box and used ten meg removable cartridges for storage. Excel did not even exist then, and I had to write a program in DBase2 to do the statistics.

I called it the Cross Report and advertised in Hoofbeats those two years. Fred Hertrich was one of my first customers and bought it both years. I never met the man but since it was in the first couple years of his operation it had to have had some influence.
 
I did meet King Myron (who wasn't even a prince back then) who contacted me about the report and invited me to the Big M and introduced me to Arlene Traub but that was about it. Had I gotten a booth at the sales I would have sold many more, but being a young no nothing person with no family in the business I didn't know what kind of response I would get and if it would be successful, so I didn't do that. Big Mistake.

Anyway, the report was clear that offspring of Abercrombie were the best to invest in as yearlings. This was just before Artsplace was bred and Bell did get one of the reports that proved that. I don't know if he was associated with Brittany back then, but it would be fun if he told Segal about it.

Great story! Myron definitely told Segal, but he also definitely took credit for your work!!! LOL.

So, I am not sure if you knew this, but Myron actually had his own little "yearling" report he did. I forgot what year it was that he started it, but this was way prior to the successor of the A7 Stable (which was what got him into trouble and resulted in him leaving town and being MIA for a couple of years.....before Segal gave him a job and he came back) -- so it must have been in the mid-80's or so.

His yearling report was what the previous siblings sold for, who bought them, and details as to what they did on the track and/or training down. Of course everyone questioned whether people he asked for information would be honest with him about what the brother/sister actually did, were they good, bad, training down, etc. Small flaw in that part of it, LOL. I am sure he also wasn't completely honest himself about what he put in the report because he was trying to earn/score points with anyone who would have given him a job, LOL. Don't get me wrong, Myron was no idiot, but he was a jerk. He knew pedigrees and family, but when he started out way back when he was a simply a gambler---and not a good one, because he didn't have money, LOL---who was trying to get into guys (who had big money) pockets. Not having money made him not a good gambler. But he'd tell you about every big win he had. Early on he tried to get into Morty Finder's pocket as Morty was one of the biggest players in the game. But Morty was too smart. Later Morty became enamored with Lou Guida and his business/syndication prowess. Later on Myron tried to become a big shot using other people's money, hence A7 and his other "partnerships". He got a lot of press buying a horse named Scene Topper for big money. It was after that he got into trouble.

Yes, you would have sold a lot of those reports. The data would speak for itself, but your credibility would have been immediately established. John Bradley, one of the leading pedigree experts ever, had talked about doing something similar, but he wasn't a racetrack guy, so his was more about pedigree and data mining, aggregation, etc.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

In 85 and 86 I published a statistical report on all horses sold at yearling sales starting in 1980. This was before computers and media got cheap. I had to spends thousands on what was called a Bernoulli Box and used ten meg removable cartridges for storage. Excel did not even exist then, and I had to write a program in DBase2 to do the statistics.

I called it the Cross Report and advertised in Hoofbeats those two years. Fred Hertrich was one of my first customers and bought it both years. I never met the man but since it was in the first couple years of his operation it had to have had some influence.
 
I did meet King Myron (who wasn't even a prince back then) who contacted me about the report and invited me to the Big M and introduced me to Arlene Traub but that was about it. Had I gotten a booth at the sales I would have sold many more, but being a young no nothing person with no family in the business I didn't know what kind of response I would get and if it would be successful, so I didn't do that. Big Mistake.

Anyway, the report was clear that offspring of Abercrombie were the best to invest in as yearlings. This was just before Artsplace was bred and Bell did get one of the reports that proved that. I don't know if he was associated with Brittany back then, but it would be fun if he told Segal about it.

BTW, when Fred first started, he had a partner named Lew Arno. The two of them really started out well and were playing at pretty high levels. They never paid monster money for mares and were big bargain and value shoppers, but they did well early on.

[The Thorn]

Great story! Myron definitely told Segal, but he also definitely took credit for your work!!! LOL.

So, I am not sure if you knew this, but Myron actually had his own little "yearling" report he did.

He didn't mention that so I don't know about timing, but my report was just on sales prices and earnings from all published material, nothing from 3rd party sources.  I arranged the statistics in four different ways showing how sires and particular crosses fared for those six years. 

Woulda coulda shoulda, but I did manage to get my first horse the next year, got to the winners circle and found out how dishonest trainers could be.  Perhaps it was all for the good as I managed to make enough by selling collectibles online to not even care about horses for 20 years, till I came back as just a fan when my wife passed. I can afford to buy a horse now by myself if I wanted to but the game is so different and everyone I knew is long gone. 

[Way to go]

Money can't buy you class.... SCUMOF THE EARTH...... used to play racquet ball with him back in the 80s.....cheated on his first wife unbelievable

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Money can't buy you class.... SCUMOF THE EARTH...... used to play racquet ball with him back in the 80s.....cheated on his first wife unbelievable

I was told he left her WHEN SHE WAS SICK. I do not know if it is true.

[Way to go]

His farm is hideous with no grass in the fields on a back road In Federalsburg,Maryland......went there once to look at yearlings and pikes a nd piles of manure in aisleway instead of using a wheelbarrow to clean each stall....I had an appointment mother knew I was coming with my veterinarian..... just awful

[Mohawk mac]

Can't outrun Father Time.  They had a great run.  I don't know Hertrich or anything about him.  I've known Rob Tribbett for over 20 years.  He's super smart and very hard working.  Knows his shit in regard to both S breds and T breds.  Glad he intends to stay in the S bred business in some capacity.