Gingras & Burke

[gh2009]

Yannick Gingras is actually there today for one horse of Ron Burke's in the 6th race.

[mwins]

This might be interesting. If you told us where "there" is.

[gh2009]

This might be interesting. If you told us where "there" is.

Sorry, it was at Freehold, but the horse already lost and finished 3rd at even money, was involved in a 55 second 1st half with Tyler Miller on a very slow sloppy track.

[Bitter Truth]

Since Freehold is the ONLY harness track racing in North America this afternoon, he probably
figured people were bright enough to figure it out. Guess he was wrong with you mwins.

[PIGLAND]

yannick bad driver

[Lexington146]

How many divisional champs did Yannick drive?

[gh2009]

yannick bad driver

How many "bad" drivers have purse earnings of 14.5 million in a year, guess it was all luck right?

[MOHAWK FREAK]

How many "bad" drivers have purse earnings of 14.5 million in a year, guess it was all luck right?

    Yannick is not as talented as he appears. Mostly one dimensional. If Tyler Miller and Yannick were in every race together they would never win a race. Why? Because they both do the exact same thing. They race on the front, period , no matter what. Yannick has the power to do it, Tyler not so much. Yannick is lucky he drives for who he does.  I have never seen Yannick improve or make moves in races per the likes of Dexter Dunn, Tim Tetrick, Dave Miller… Yannick is nothing more then a glorified Andy Miller.

[pocketrocketwinner]

    Yannick is not as talented as he appears. Mostly one dimensional. If Tyler Miller and Yannick were in every race together they would never win a race. Why? Because they both do the exact same thing. They race on the front, period , no matter what. Yannick has the power to do it, Tyler not so much. Yannick is lucky he drives for who he does.  I have never seen Yannick improve or make moves in races per the likes of Dexter Dunn, Tim Tetrick, Dave Miller… Yannick is nothing more then a glorified Andy Miller.

Fairly big exception to racing on the front period theory in this year's hambletonian

[Miguel_Sanchez]

Don't think if Yannick could have blasted Karl he wouldn't have.  Karl couldn't out run Dave Little to the quarter.  Yannick is horrible and the bulk of that money is overnights where he is driving a loaded up 1/9 shot.

[gh2009]

    Yannick is not as talented as he appears. Mostly one dimensional. If Tyler Miller and Yannick were in every race together they would never win a race. Why? Because they both do the exact same thing. They race on the front, period , no matter what. Yannick has the power to do it, Tyler not so much. Yannick is lucky he drives for who he does.  I have never seen Yannick improve or make moves in races per the likes of Dexter Dunn, Tim Tetrick, Dave Miller… Yannick is nothing more then a glorified Andy Miller.

Whether you don't like him is your business, but to say he's a bad driver is way over the top. His numbers speak for themself.  I'll bet none of his purse checks say, "you're not as talented as it appears" on it!  I agree he's more one dimensional that alot of the top drivers, and he doesn't improve horses like the top 3 or 4 drivers do. Even mentioning Tyler Miller in the conversation is ridiculous. Calling him a glorified Andy Miller is way off base. I get it, alot of people on here don't like him, but you also need to be objective when discussing him.

[Kenny]

    Yannick is not as talented as he appears. Mostly one dimensional. If Tyler Miller and Yannick were in every race together they would never win a race. Why? Because they both do the exact same thing. They race on the front, period , no matter what. Yannick has the power to do it, Tyler not so much. Yannick is lucky he drives for who he does.  I have never seen Yannick improve or make moves in races per the likes of Dexter Dunn, Tim Tetrick, Dave Miller… Yannick is nothing more then a glorified Andy Miller.

The object of the game is to win money and win races. Yannick is second only to Dunn and his UDRS is essentially the same as Dunn. He is one dimensional, he wins money!

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I knew YG when he was back in Montreal. Of the various young drivers who left Montreal and ended up here in the US, I didn't think he was the "most talented." Here we are today and he is the "most accomplished" and not to get hung up on semantics, the "most successful." That said, IMHO, and I've said it more than once here, one, yes, I do think he's one-dimensional to some extent. But that's a byproduct of his business, who he drives for, the types of horses he drives, etc. Does that mean he can only drive one way? Absolutely not. Like him or not, he's not an idiot. If he was put on a horse that absolutely, positively has to come from behind, a stone-cold closer, etc.----could he drive that horse? Absolutely. However, in all likelihood, he most probably wouldn't be the go-to driver for that horse. Chicken and egg, cause and effect, and so on.

Two, I don't think he is top-notch, top-rated, top-tier, in certain categories that an educated, knowledgeable, expert, would use to rate drivers. I never read about those categories and those skills here so I won't even get into that. Does that mean he is "poor" at certain things or "inept" or doesn't have certain skills? Absolutely not. Like him or not, he's not an imbecile. He may not be top-three in certain categories, or with certain skills/attributes, but he is not completely lacking or inept. He's top 6, 8, or 10. Three, for the amount of time he's been here, I don't think he's developed into a more well-rounded, strategic/tactical, refined, skillful driver, as I would have expected from him----but then again, he doesn't have to be and he hasn't had to. Cause and effect. He can be well-rounded, he certainly can be a strategic and tactical driver, and he has skills---but every driver plays to their part, and YG's part has become what we see, because of where his business comes from, the kinds of horses he drives, their odds, who he drives for, etc., and that dictates a lot of how he drives. Can he drive differently? Absolutely. His world simply doesn't dictate that he can, has to, needs to, etc. People look at results or stats to support an argument or position. That doesn't always work.

Tim Tetrick is another perfect example of this. He has lost a lot of power, is no longer the go-to driver for certain trainers, he lost a lot of business this year-----and he was still a top-ten driver for wins and money won at the Meadowlands (his home-base/home-track for the most part). Don't tell me he finished 11th or 12th in wins, or that so and so finished ahead of him for money. Unless you are a complete nitwit, you get my point. The same thing happened to Bill Fahy. A similar track happened with Mickey McNichol. I think YG is a nice guy. I know him a long time. We are not friends, but we are acquaintances. Now, TT, I have always liked, and I count him as a friend. Unfortunately, on paper he had a very down year. 2023 was a very good year for him. But 2024 will be his lowest # of wins and lowest money winning perhaps in his entire career (since he moved his tack east). The national and local driving colony got more competitive and some of his clients had off-years and some used other drivers. He is simply not the go-to driver for stables that have horse after horse for all of the major stakes. However, he will be very close to the top 10 in earnings when 2024 is over.

Unfortunately, I think TT may use this new year to slightly shift his focus, spend more time at tracks other than the Meadowlands, etc. I hope he doesn't. I hope he gets really hungry, reinvigorated, and uses this winter to generate new business development, new opportunities, and so on. If his health is OK, he is still in his prime. With the right horse or two, people will remember who he is, and some new business development, and so on, that can all lead to a complete turn-around year for TT.

[MCR]

Yannick drives alot of power.  Odds on and power horses are put in nthe action and are in contention.  Timmy maybe doesn't want to chase the big stage as much? Been there done that.  Maybe Timmy is looking for more family life and still make a great living... couldn't blame him for that