THE EMERGENCE OF SO MANY 1/5 AMD 1/9 FINAL ODDS BY CAW

[Locked in with pace]

Never saw so many horses that leave the gate go off at such low odds

[Any1Left]

This has being going on for 2 years now but its extreme lately as they are getting bolder and more greedy and to me its either elite turf club who has been given access to parimutual pools or PGI PREMIER GATEWAY INTERNATIONAL WHO HAVE BEEN around a short while and all the tracks they host like DUBAI and south korea and urawa and other small japan tracks its massive underlay city and pgi is based out of the isle off man and very rarely return an email if questioned,,,,,,,,,In years past many suspect tickets came in ffrom oregon and at that time it was the hub for computer groups,,,,,,

[Scooteroo]

Even if what everything you say is correct and they do have access to the pools, why would you bet so much to have your horse end up going off at 1/5 or 1/9. You would need to have almost the horses win or you'd end up losing.

[Any1Left]

Even if what everything you say is correct and they do have access to the pools, why would you bet so much to have your horse end up going off at 1/5 or 1/9. You would need to have almost the horses win or you'd end up losing money.

correct but they get all the vig as they own the caw just the 4 percent to the track and if you read up and it is common knowledge elite turf club was given access a couple years back and it makes no sense like you say but also making no sense is that most computer groups that bet overlays and were given access to the pools like dana parnham are no longer operating as they can not compete with elite turf club and DANA PARNHAM does not run away from making money,,,,,,,,,,, my best guess is pgi is a really huge problem as they operate with insanity such as superfecta starting off with a 900 dollar caryover and 3 carryovers at 3.30 in the morning north AMERICA IS BETTING 92000 INTO A CARRYOVER and when seeing that i went into shock as those numbers are not possible and have never got a reply,,,,,,,,,,,,, When are commisions who are paid to protect us when horses drop 9-2 to 8-5,,,,,,,,,,,,, very few posters on here really care about gambling and i am not here for anything else as the sport is run WWE style today and in my first 10 posts this is all i talked about and when speaking to GABE PRUITT a couple months back he told me that racetracks need elite turf club today who say they do 42 percent of all handle in north america and i am not smart enough to figure out how this is possible,,,,,,,,,,

[Scooteroo]

I'm one of the few posters on here whose only interest is in the gambling aspect of it. Even though I know there is alot of juicing going on, I have a pretty good idea of who's doing it at the tracks I play which is all I'm really concerned with. Before coming onto this site about 6 months ago I was totally unaware of Elite Turf Club. They obviously must be receiving big time rewards or commissions on their wagers, and if they're able to wager a few seconds after the bell it's obviously a big advantage the little guy doesn't have. Since Gural cries poor all the time, he needs Elite Turf Club to make his targeted 3-million-dollar average handle and will cater to their every need to do so.

[JENNY FROM THE BLOCK]

i wonder how it would work if for one weekend or one night no one bet the meadowlands.
some how try and get the word out and have the meadow lands banded for one night.   bet other tracks just not the meadowlands. you would never get it to work. but it would be great to see.

[pocketrocketwinner]

At the thoroughbred tracks where CAW play is super heavy, you don't see the super late money on obvious chalk like you do at the meadowlands. Who knows what's happening but it must be noted that these places like Elite must bet a certain amount per night/week/month as part of the negotiations that allows them into the pools. Maybe one way they hit their requirement is by betting large amounts to win on very obvious favorites.

[Scooteroo]

Some of the late money comes from some of the OTB's who send in all their money at the end instead of in increments like some others do which could account for part of the big odds fluctuations.

[Locked in with pace]

Do these tracks realize they are pushing out the average fan? Or maybe they just don't care. The fan who has $50 to $100 to bet on the races, sits at home betting on his phone or computer, hoping to make enough money to bet on another day's card. Tough to do this when the horse leaving the gate goes off at such low odds. The sport has enough problems this one is killing off what the sport  needs. THE BETTING PUBLIC.  That's why sports betting is so more appealing to all ages and sexes.

[Scooteroo]

It's annoying when I bet $30 on a horse to win at 5/1 as the horses are moving up, the next thing I know he's 7/5.

[Harness Stats]

This has being going on for 2 years now

It's a lot more than 2 years.  I stopped betting after simulcasting and slots ruined the pools back almost 30 years ago.  I starting paying attention again in 2013 due to boredom and the first thing I noticed is how the odds would change drastically after the gate opened.  Enough so to make win betting odds predictions worthless.  That plus the small pools everywhere made me bet an absurdly small amount compared to what I bet in the 80s and early 90s. Taking inflation into consideration makes it even worse. 

The combination of small pools and the rebate bettors make the whole game impossible to beat and as I said it's been way more than 2 years.

[The Unstable]

Bet Ira Who at Dover was 9/5 when they went behind the car and went off 1/9 30 seconds later. 

[Scooteroo]

When that happens you would love to cancel the bet but can't, and even if the horse wins you make nothing.

[Any1Left]

It's a lot more than 2 years.  I stopped betting after simulcasting and slots ruined the pools back almost 30 years ago.  I starting paying attention again in 2013 due to boredom and the first thing I noticed is how the odds would change drastically after the gate opened.  Enough so to make win betting odds predictions worthless.  That plus the small pools everywhere made me bet an absurdly small amount compared to what I bet in the 80s and early 90s. Taking inflation into consideration makes it even worse. 

The combination of small pools and the rebate bettors make the whole game impossible to beat and as I said it's been way more than 2 years.

correct,,,,,,,,,,,,i have been involved with this for many years as it really affects me but the last 2 years its out of proportion and getting worse,,,,,,,,,, This problem is management as believe me they see it and do not care but now its spread for the first time to hong kong and europe and pari mutual pools everywhere and i assure you with horses dropping at SHI TIN like they are they are barking up the wrong tree..........

[darnoldrocks]

Gamblers won't complain when that horse drops to 1/9 at the last second, shits the bed in the race and their horse at 4/1 wins and pays a nice return because of it.