THE EMERGENCE OF SO MANY 1/5 AMD 1/9 FINAL ODDS BY CAW

[Any1Left]

Gamblers won't complain when that horse drops to 1/9 at the last second, shits the bed in the race and their horse at 4/1 wins and pays a nice return because of it.

For me its hard to post reading posts like this from horsemen killing this sport,,,,,,,,how do you answer this post unless you are john stewart..........

[Brown jug]

agreed
if you can lay off those heavy favs there is some overlay opportunities

[Brkn Headpole]

To me one of the biggest issues CAW or otherwise is how prescient they are betting horses getting away in optimal position .ie gate leavers making front easily.

[Any1Left]

agreed
if you can lay off those heavy favs there is some overlay opportunities

i can not say never but i rarely not only do not bet chalk and im looking quite often for a big price that can make me money but that post the irked me badly was a horsemens post,,,,,,,,,,imagine a horseman saying i can win because i can not beat the drug cheats and my reply was if you were winning you would not complain,,,,,,,,,,,,,you can not beat a crooked card game and if you think its a plus that they cheat you are not in reality as they bet speed horses and last i checked those horses are doing well.

[Papillon]

To me one of the biggest issues CAW or otherwise is how prescient they are betting horses getting away in optimal position .ie gate leavers making front easily.

It is called betting after the race starts-plain and simple

[JENNY FROM THE BLOCK]

i would never bet a 1/9.  i look for value. last week  kurt sugg had one from the 7 hole. 9 -1 behind the gate. i think he went off 8/5. he won but i was like wtf happened.
and ofcourse he left out of there on the half mile track and got pounded late.

[Brkn Headpole]

It is called betting after the race starts-plain and simple

If that really is the case, they are open to class action lawsuits. Racing can be considered a game of chance and everyone should have an equal chance of winning. Skill is involved but when your tilting the playing field by means of data access, live feeds, and wagering capabilities that is illegal.

[Any1Left]

It is called betting after the race starts-plain and simple

great poster

[Papillon]

i would never bet a 1/9.  i look for value. last week  kurt sugg had one from the 7 hole. 9 -1 behind the gate. i think he went off 8/5. he won but i was like wtf happened.
and ofcourse he left out of there on the half mile track and got pounded late.

This has been going on 15-20 years and finally some eyes are being opened

I have said there is betting after the race starts on this site for years-only to be mocked every single time

I was mocked when I said about half the handle is CAW related and yet again I was called a conspiracy theorist

open your eyes-see who blast the gate and who is a laggard--then watch the odds drop/ go up accordingly

wake up people

[Any1Left]

pap,,,,,years ago during the breeders cup pik6 scandel when the guy had all all all going off 3 prices in huge fields the president of NYRA said the very next day that he is sure it was a legit ticket and i would not have taken 1000-1 on that but those type of people still run racetracks,,,,,,,,,back then things like that were rare and today guys spend a billion dollars with security and hackers still break in and i can assure you that racetracks spend 14 dollars on security and have sargeant schultz watch and make sure everything is going smooth......

[Papillon]

Ahh yes

The Pick 6 scandal

a couple of Drexel computer engineers who worked at YouBet figured out a way to have access to the Pick 6 after 4 legs were completed

of course they played all-all in the last two legs--ironically the racing gods stepped in and had 44-1 shot Volponi win and expose the fraud. If a bomb would not have won-these kids would have collected and nobody would have known.

[Newt Lobell]

This has been going on 15-20 years and finally some eyes are being opened

I have said there is betting after the race starts on this site for years-only to be mocked every single time

I was mocked when I said about half the handle is CAW related and yet again I was called a conspiracy theorist

open your eyes-see who blast the gate and who is a laggard--then watch the odds drop/ go up accordingly

wake up people

This has been going on at Yonkers for decades. Somebody has a 7-8 second access to wagers after the start of the race.

[darnoldrocks]

"i can not say never but i rarely not only do not bet chalk and im looking quite often for a big price that can make me money but that post the irked me badly was a horsemens post,,,,,,,,,,imagine a horseman saying i can win because i can not beat the drug cheats and my reply was if you were winning you would not complain,,,,,,,,,,,,,you can not beat a crooked card game and if you think its a plus that they cheat you are not in reality as they bet speed horses and last i checked those horses are doing well."

Any1left, that was my post and I am an owner that doesn't cheat and I'm sure I've left money on the table because I don't, but my eyes are wide open and don't complain much.  I know the cards are stacked against my horses at times, but I'm not in with the expectation of getting rich.  I'm in it because I love being around the barn, trying to buy a good yearling and enjoy the process of that horse training down.  The money I invest, I can afford to, so no one is going to starve or be out on the street if it doesn't work out.  It's my hobby. 

[gh2009]

This has been going on at Yonkers for decades. Somebody has a 7-8 second access to wagers after the start of the race.

When Brandywine Raceway was still open, there used to be between a 5 and 8 second gate call every race before the machines locked. Several of us would stand in front of a mutuel teller, watching the TV and would play win or exacta boxes on horses who were leaving from the outside.

[Any1Left]

When Brandywine Raceway was still open, there used to be between a 5 and 8 second gate call every race before the machines locked. Several of us would stand in front of a mutuel teller, watching the TV and would play win or exacta boxes on horses who were leaving from the outside.

tHAT WAS AT MANY TRACKS,,,,,,,I DID SAME