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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2025, 02:39:10 PM »
For some reason i think there was a rule in the sixties and seventies, and it was three days maybe not?

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2025, 02:42:26 PM »
Back in the 70's alot of horses on the Georgetown/Wheeling Downs circuit had over 50 starts a year because alot of them also raced at the fairs.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2025, 03:02:02 PM »
The doctor in Illinois that gives his 2 year olds like 25 starts might be the only other person who would enter them like this.  It is a joke cause a lot are barely getting in every other week at NFLD.  He is getting in twice in 3 days. 

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2025, 03:15:34 PM »
I know. I know. I am an out of touch old man.
I grew up racing two heats at the county fairs in the hot mid-west sun.
So racing at night in two days (IMHO) is no big deal.
I am just an old horse trainer still going around in circles. Sometimes Fast. Sometimes Half-Fast.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2025, 03:18:57 PM »
I know. I know. I am an out of touch old man.
I grew up racing two heats at the county fairs in the hot mid-west sun.
So racing at night in two days (IMHO) is no big deal.

It is almost a different breed from those days.  They were probably going in 220.  The horse was just all out in 55.  Horse is probably laying in the stall today.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2025, 03:28:40 PM »
that proposal before the usta is going nowhere as it stands

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2025, 03:32:44 PM »
It is almost a different breed from those days.  They were probably going in 220.  The horse was just all out in 55.  Horse is probably laying in the stall today.
Well I was not a teenager that far back.
What ever the speed, they were lights on, horn blowing. all out on the floor board. They were all out no matter the speed, and then come back for a second heat.
And remember we (drivers) were cutting and slashing on them much more then today.
I am just an old horse trainer still going around in circles. Sometimes Fast. Sometimes Half-Fast.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2025, 06:01:03 PM »
you must not recall Steve Lobell winning the Hambletonian in 75 or 76

they needed 4 heats to determine the winner
And the horse literally almost died afterwards, resulting in the end of the four heat Hambletonian.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2025, 06:07:09 PM »
I remember looking at Sudbury programs from the 70s/80s and you would see horse with 70+ yearly starts throughout the program.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2025, 06:12:10 PM »
The Little Brown Jug has gone 4 heats before they changed the rules. Back then you had to win 2 heats, say 16 horses were entered, with 2 eliminations of 8 horses each. You had a winner of each elimination and the top 4 horses from each elimination advanced to the 3rd heat but a different horse won the race, Therefore the 3 winners came back for a 4th heat to decide the winner.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2025, 06:45:22 PM »
The Little Brown Jug has gone 4 heats before they changed the rules. Back then you had to win 2 heats, say 16 horses were entered, with 2 eliminations of 8 horses each. You had a winner of each elimination and the top 4 horses from each elimination advanced to the 3rd heat but a different horse won the race, Therefore the 3 winners came back for a 4th heat to decide the winner.
Technically that is incorrect.. you had the eliminations then a 2nd heat and then a possible 3rd heat so a horse could go 3 times in 1 day. I've seen it multiple times in person and I'm sure Bitter Truth has as well. The 3rd heat would usually crawl to the half or 5/8 th and then sprint home. The most memorable for me I think was Western Hanover vs. Fake Left in 1992.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2025, 06:48:53 PM »
I explained it poorly. I know a horse can only race 3 times out of the 4 heats, because if there are 2 eliminations, you're only racing in one of them. In the final heat they usually crawl around the track and come a fast last quarter.
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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2025, 06:53:20 PM »
I explained it poorly. I know a horse can only race 3 times out of the 4 heats, because if there are 2 eliminations, you're only racing in one of them.
No worries  tmbz1.. I'm not for running a 2 year old into the ground but I do miss the possibility of a 3rd heat. I think one day the jug eliminations will be run at Scioto Downs on a Saturday a week and a half before the final in Delaware on Thursday.

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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2025, 06:57:47 PM »
That's a wild idea! If that ever happens, I'm sure I won't be around to see it. Another thing they used to do when there were 3 eliminations and the top 3 finishers each advanced to the next heat. One of the 3rd place finishers ended up with the 9 hole in the 2nd tier, which was so unfair to the horses who finished 1st or 2nd in their elimination except for the horse who drew the rail.
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Re: How is a horse allowed to race sunday back tuesday
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2025, 06:58:49 PM »
My favorite 1978 Bill Popfinger sitting 3rd behind Fight Director [Joe Obrien] and Falcon Almuhurst
[Billy Haughton] Obrien completely falls asleep after securing the front. Popfinger pulled and blasted
by with Happy Escort just past a 30.4 first 1/4 and went on to hold on to win it. My Dad had him. I believe 35-1 tmbz1

 

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