Tammy Sowers thrown out of Saratoga

[PIGLAND]

any chance they throw betwith out?

[PIGLAND]

the customer (gamblers) have no protection,and they wonder why its a dead game laddie

[Papillon]

the customer (gamblers) have no protection,and they wonder why its a dead game laddie

hard to believe Dan Nance saw this over a decade ago

[Cobalt Kenny]

   
   I don’t understand doesn’t anyone that does any good racing horses have these things loaded up with drugs??
  Didn’t Beckwith set record last year for most wins in one meet at Saratoga??
   Didn’t him and his wife get positive tests last year??
   What’s the difference?

   The difference, Mr Toothpick is NOBODY gives a fuck...not the track ownership/management..not the judges..not the NYST racing commish..just keep grabbing their check every 2 weeks..and how about that asshole of a Race Secretary??

[Cobalt Kenny]

You can win(Technically) 15-16 parimutuel races before you have to come out of NW2LT...they are a close knit group that dont claim from each other, so the phony optional claimer he has attached to the NW2LT means NOTHING

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't know if Bo moved from the Monticello area, but I think him and his family had been there for quite some time. I know they shipped different places to race and all, but I thought they kind of had "roots" so to speak in the Monticello area. So, if they relocated to Saratoga, it sounds like it will be a short-lived stay, LOL. If not, I would think they might simply head back home.

Regardless, I am alway glad to hear about efforts made to clean up the game---as long as they are legitimate. In this case, other than alleged spectacular win percentages right out of the box, which I didn't follow, I don't know the grounds for throwing them out. On the other hand, private property rights are always an option.

[MCR]

Lets start a new poll... whats Bo sowers have more of

Positives
Black boxes
Tracks he's barred from
Fat chicken he's fucking

(Use the term chick or lady loosely)

[PIGLAND]

maybe because Rawlings got 15 days?

[PIGLAND]

hard to believe Dan Nance saw this over a decade ago

Dan Nants KNows racing

[Papillon]

Dan Nants KNows racing

does he still charge $5 for giving out his numpers?

[seen2much]

The worst part of the game find places to race.
Saratoga like Dover doesn't allow outsiders to take all their money.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.

I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.

[rainman2]

I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.

I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.

An honest post on what you experienced.

The “real experts” on Nance should be posting in the very near future on this here on horseplop.

Stay tuned for future developments! 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

An honest post on what you experienced.

The “real experts” on Nance should be posting in the very near future on this here on horseplop.

Stay tuned for future developments!

I don't know the guy, or his brother. Only saw him, spoke with him, in Chicago, and that was maybe 5 times. I mean, I never saw the guy on the grand circuit or in Lexington at the sales. I knew a guy in the PR or marketing department who was a seasoned veteran in Chicago racing. We got to know each other very well, to the point where I'd call him a friend. He told me to stay away from Dan, and while that would have been good enough for me, I had already formulated my own opinion, thoughts, etc.

I did hear one good story though. Now, I wasn't there, BUT, more than one person told me. I heard that Dan was bad-mouthing Tom Harmer to a group of people at the track. I do personally know, first-hand, that Nance didn't like him, think much of him as a trainer, etc. To me that was more of the jealousy, bitter thing Nance had. Anyway, I heard Harmer got wind of it, and next time he was at the track, he confronted Nance. Nance gave him some song and dance, deflected, denied, and so forth, and I heard Harmer bitch-slapped him! More than once! And, Nance cowardly walked away. Again, I wasn't there, but several people told me. From what I know, it doesn't surprise me, LOL.

[Papillon]

I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.

I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.

this is 100% accurate