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Harness Racing / Re: Wally hanging them up?
« Last post by Lance on November 18, 2025, 09:51:42 PM »
I think it was Bill Gallanger, Pete Wrenn was driving. Personal Banner ended up being the dam of Equinox Bi who made over a million.  I could be wrong but I don’t think Personal Banner ever raced again after beating Moni Maker in the BC, while not long after Moni Maker moved to Jimmy T and the rest is history.  I think Billy Fahy drove MM a few times early on.
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Trigger on November 18, 2025, 09:51:05 PM »


Listen, can you hear someones thoughts...

Some friends, as long as it doesn't make the light of day, a bunch of bullshit wishes....I've done plenty for harness racing, have had success, people are jealous, and I invested a fortune in this bullshit and it's a damn license to fucking steal now and I'm being left out!?  Single me out, wrong mother fucker, I'll make him pay, I'll make them pay, I'll make all of them pay.  Selective persecution, they don't like me, I'll give them a reason to hate me.  You better believe I'm going to win.  I've done nothing that ABCDEFG....hasn't done and still does, and they're making a fortune and I'm being left out......and because they know and kiss the ass of 123456.... who know their friends are as guilty as dark is the night and they're getting away with murder.  I'll show them all who the mother fucking killer is!  ;D
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Harness Racing / Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Last post by SDST2009 on November 18, 2025, 09:40:48 PM »
Pick a successful trainer's name, any trainer. There is probably somebody who is going to think that trainer is cheating. Cheating is a relative term. If you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Sad state of affairs, but the reality. Detention barn and out of competition testing should be the norm, and should be frequent/regular.

I can't think of a top trainer, a successful trainer, who has never had a positive test. Can you? Go way back in Meadowlands history. Larry/Ray Remmen, Jim Doherty, Lofty Bruce, Greg Wright, Howard Camden, Jack Friedhoff, Kelvin Harrison? Move on, Rovine/Holloway, Dave Elliott, Ben Webster, Ron Waples? Then Robinson, Artandi, Stutzman, George Anthony, Pelling, Croghan, Holloway? Today, Ake, Burke, Alagna, Moore, Linda Toscano? Keep going. For me, there's a big difference between a clenbuterol positive (slightly over the limit) and some designer, exotic drug that has zero place on the backstretch or farm. Who do you give a horse to today, before you get accused of using a "drug" trainer? Yes, I do think there should be owner accountability, but that leads to a very slippery slope.

I agree 100% that anyone running a decent sized stable os going to have a positive here and there. The trainer I use (and any I would consider using) have the same types of positives: very intermittent overages on widely-accepted therapeutic drugs that are likely more a slight gamble and/or slow metabolism positive, so to speak.

You're also exactly right that no one is winning on hay and oats anymore. At minimum, some pretty high-tech vet maintenance, etc going on. Not all bad. As athletes, these things should have therapeutic drugs and procedures available.

As someone older and smarter than me once said, "I know it when I see it."

When I see it, most often, is taking a horse and immediately improving it 2-3 seconds. I can think of 3 or 4 without even delving into statistics that fit that observation. As someone who has been associated with a horse that did exactly this, I am certain it can and does happen for legitimate reasons..but it doesn't happen with the type of regularity some of these trainers average.
Another time it is very apparent is when someone takes a horse, vastly improves it for ~5 starts, and the horse disappears.
Finally, the marked pattern of detention equating to a subpar performance. I know a lot of horses don't love the change of routine. But..a lot of trainers don't, either ;D


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Harness Racing / Re: Wally hanging them up?
« Last post by Dingus on November 18, 2025, 08:33:44 PM »
Wally drove Moni Maker a few times, no?

Anybody remember who trained Personal Banner, the winner of the Breeders Crown over Moni Maker at Vernon Downs?
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Harness Racing / Re: Wally hanging them up?
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on November 18, 2025, 08:30:14 PM »
Wally drove Moni Maker.....just a few times. LOL.

He was her main driver. Before she landed in Takter's barn, Wally was her main driver, and I remember Brian Allen driving her, and maybe David Ingraham. After Takter got her, Wally still drove her, but so did Jimmy and John Campbell.
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Trigger on November 18, 2025, 08:08:20 PM »
How many times have we read here by his fans that he was "cleared" by the FBI, including statements he's made to the media stating the same. Well.....guess who showed up today. He never made any non prosecutory agreements or any agreement on the record that anyone can find that ever said he was free and clear. Like I tried to say in the livestreams, just because he wasn't pursued by the government doesn't mean the evidence found against him by the FBI can't be used by state racing commissions.  tmbz1


All those original DOJ prosecutions were crimes found by accident investigating unrelated crimes.

The FBI agent was on a wire tap and they started talking about racing and he had some personal experience.

Tough working for the FBI.

Your bosses don't want the case, they do and the doj doesn't want the case.  Politician crooks are controlling all of them and what their priorities will be.

But we know an egomanciacal, narcissistic scumbag when we see them.

They fit into harness racing like a pea in a pod sadly for all the rest of us whom are not corrupt and that are involved.
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Harness Racing / yonkers announcer
« Last post by thesilentone on November 18, 2025, 08:00:12 PM »
my god it’s easier muting the races and sitting in silence then listening to this fucking clown . yells , cant pronounce words and names . what a shit show this yonkers is . embarrassing
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Harness Racing / Northfield Park
« Last post by SPARKS SPECIAL on November 18, 2025, 07:42:59 PM »
TUESDAY NIGHT 3rd race  nw1pm 10000 claimer.  Over 87000 bet! WOW !  91zca.1 53zva.1 
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Harness Racing / Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Last post by tumbleweed on November 18, 2025, 07:21:03 PM »
Cat hasnt been there for at least 10 years.
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I think the Catman was at their farm for a while helping out. The Cs are good prople, very down to earth for wealthy men.
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