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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by AgentQ on Today at 01:04:47 PM »
Interesting horse, especially with Macintosh as trainer, he has 18 starts, only 1 win ;D
That win was on an off track like last night
Unfortunately for him..10 or 11 of his starts have had BJ in the race.  ngc3
I'd like to see how he'd do in a race or 2 without BJ being in the same race before making any judgments. I will never forget the way Precious Bunny left the gate that day, saw it in person right in front of me at the ripe age of 17. Unfortunately for me, I was pulling for Artsplace that year and he was scratched

Beach didn't leave canada at 2 and was shut down early after beating up on horatio and deuce seelster so give it a rest. They have the exact same profile with the only diff being the breeders crown was held at mohawk last year and doc too advantge of it. GReat horses travel, real good ones win at home.
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by JT on Today at 12:58:33 PM »
i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't  WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?
As older horses yes, Always B Miki was a year older then WIJI
One of my favorite races I ever witnessed in person

https://youtu.be/ZoqbBwyZLzc?si=O3JjXVrkfd9H3PIn
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2 things can be true at once
Fixed odds is needed,  but won't happen
The gamblers always get shit on.. CAW 's suck, killing small time players
Back in the day, gamblers were needed..not so much anymore
All slot welfare
Ohio was dead in the water until the racinos came
$1600 purses throughout the week at Scioto.
Place was a ghost town.
All these topics have been discussed at nauseum
Nothing changes ;D

Unfortunately the slot welfare wont last. It was mandatory that casinos needed to give a percentage back to racing before. Now casinos can open without racing.
The welfare about to end. We need to bring the gambler back.

Caw at least produces handle so there is no way to get rid of that 
But no one is betting real momey without having any idea of the return, which drops as  much as 80%, even at the last moment.

It was one thing if a horse steadily drops odds. But the sudden 80% changes will break this business more than ANY other issue it has
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Thoroughbred Racing / Re: Sunday Funday betting a couple today!
« Last post by JT on Today at 12:51:15 PM »
Good luck Dougie!! Knock on wood somewhere because you have been running really good. Keep up the great work! Only 2 bets for me today.
Churchill early pick 5
1,3,5,6,7/All/7/7/2,3,5,7,8,9,10
$122.50
Big A early pick 5
6/All/5/All/1,2,3,4,6,7
$108
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by toothman on Today at 12:50:38 PM »
i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't  WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?

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Harness Racing / Re: Fixed odds nowwwwww. Even meadowlands unplayable
« Last post by JT on Today at 12:41:49 PM »
2 things can be true at once
Fixed odds is needed,  but won't happen
The gamblers always get shit on.. CAW 's suck, killing small time players
Back in the day, gamblers were needed..not so much anymore
All slot welfare
Ohio was dead in the water until the racinos came
$1600 purses throughout the week at Scioto.
Place was a ghost town.
All these topics have been discussed at nauseum
Nothing changes ;D
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by Brown jug on Today at 12:25:17 PM »
guys, we shall see
i do not think doc moore will be ducking anybody
also lets not forget that at 2 he raced 2 elims and 2 finals against the best 2 yr olds and won all 4
yes i know they were at mohawk but still
its very difficult to go undefeated, a bad trip , horse gets a little sick etc, lets see what other 3 yr olds step up, mr mamba etc, and a few other nice horses but they will need to be on the improve significantly
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The sport needs gamblers.


if this sport needed gamblers to survive it would have been
gone 25 years ago.. doesnt matter if there is 20,000 or 200,000 handle
for any race.. the only way this sport survives is on the welfare of casinos.
thats it..anything else is just noise
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SO TRUE
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Harness Racing / Re: Agent Black A
« Last post by SDST2009 on Today at 11:07:56 AM »
i never said that agent black was not managed or trained by the stable .ca
i said he was never OWNED by the stable.ca
in other words the 1% owners never had shares
my understanding was that a person in Australia owned all of him and he has other shares of horses with the stable.ca so he sent agent black over here
i do not really understand how the Amish buy horses or how they value them but whoever ended up owning this one did pretty well for what appeared to be a very average trotter both race wise and pedigree wise


It is my understanding as well he was owned by one individual (or at minimum, a VERY small group).

I think there are a fair amount of horses with pretty limited ownership that fall under "the stable" ownership umbrella.
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