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Harness Racing / Re: doc moore. best 2 year old every year
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 09:13:26 AM »
Maybe he's just a great breeder and trainer?

When I mentioned Doc Moore to someone in the industry in Ontario, the reply was "he's a vet".
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Harness Racing / Re: Jailbird Jog
« Last post by PineHurstPacer on Today at 09:04:46 AM »
Nobody that knows anything takes that horse seriously. He's a nice little story down there but he would get destroyed in most other places. But he is a nice story for those involved and that's good for the sport.

97% you are correct

but there's the occasional exception

Mind That Bird was a $9,500 yearling.....that would be like $1,500-$2,000 in standardbred equivalent
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Harness Racing / Re: Jailbird Jog
« Last post by AgentQ on Today at 08:55:33 AM »
Nobody that knows anything takes that horse seriously. He's a nice little story down there but he would get destroyed in most other places. But he is a nice story for those involved and that's good for the sport.
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Does anyone know what CAW's get for a "kickback" from the tracks? I was told the CAWs make their money on the rebates.  But where is the profit for the track compared to the everyday bettor
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Harness Racing / Re: Engblom
« Last post by AgentQ on Today at 08:52:51 AM »
Addition by subtraction.
Hopefully people bite to get top $.
Big sales around the corner.
Need capital to reload.

I'm always blown away that there are morons who part with money to buy his horses. Without fail, they all lose their money. And in fairness, all Ongait seems to be is a mechanism to get rid of horses that are never going to amount to anything. Sure, there is the odd one but overwhelmingly those horses are just a burden to the new owner.
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Harness Racing / Re: doc moore. best 2 year old every year
« Last post by captaintreacherous on Today at 08:44:40 AM »
No close 2nd

Moore knows 10X what most others know.

Florida trained 2 year olds dominate over the

North trained group in Ontario.
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Harness Racing / Re: 08/29/2026 Meadowlands 10th race
« Last post by BrokenHeadPole on Today at 08:44:17 AM »
CAW wagering is as much as 50% of the handle at many tracks. Tracks are in a tough spot. If they don't take CAW bets, their handle is minimal. If they do take it. you'll see odd payoffs including many 1/5 or even 1/9 shots. Give it a few more years and they will be doing 75% of the track's handle, for the tracks are losing more and more of the "racing fan bettor"  each day.
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Harness Racing / Re: 08/29/2026 Meadowlands 10th race
« Last post by MTP1972 on Today at 07:06:19 AM »
He didn't break "right before the start" as you say. The replay comes on 13 seconds before the start and he was already off stride, giving bettors including CAW's more than 15 seconds to wager.
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Harness Racing / Re: Ford must resign
« Last post by Yonkers1A on Today at 05:55:40 AM »
Day 443, Ford must resign.
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The O.T. / Re: think rainfag ever played sports
« Last post by JOHN FRANK on Today at 05:40:05 AM »
All who played know what a great sport it be. CUT=THROAT. And a 16 inch softball be hard as a rock. I was a pitcher and patterned meself after the greatest,MIKE TALLO. He be also a talented fielder who made it to triple A as a third baseman in the CARDINALS organization. I adopted his style. It was drag pitch and high arch and then fastly back up to towards second to become another fielder. And every pitch I could drop the ball anywhere I wanted for a strike. And I would study especially the great hitters to know where they liked to hit. That was a great advantage. Reminded me at times of the ARMY. Everyone did nuttin but swear when they spoke or yelled.
Back in days at these tournaments,one could have crowds of 2,000 watching the games. TOOOOO BEEEEEE continued.......
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