Say goodbye!

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Boy are some yo's yo's on here jumping the gun!

What you seem to not understand is the Feds are involved and not the various piece of shit state gaming and racing commissions. The Feds don't sweep shit under the rug like they do unless it will enhance their case. If I was on the list, I would be scared. 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't know if the NJRC is going to get involved or take any action. These names are being "excluded" by a track "owner," not having their license "revoked" by a governing body (not yet). I do know Gural has been conducting his own investigations for quite some time now. No secret. He's using public information and information his people have turned up on their own. Don't forget Gural not only cooperated, but prompted and aided the Federal investigations that brought all those indictments, charges, and convictions.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I don't know if the NJRC is going to get involved or take any action. These names are being "excluded" by a track "owner," not having their license "revoked" by a governing body (not yet). I do know Gural has been conducting his own investigations for quite some time now. No secret. He's using public information and information his people have turned up on their own. Don't forget Gural not only cooperated, but prompted and aided the Federal investigations that brought all those indictments, charges, and convictions.

Once again, who cares if a state commission gets involved. The people on that list are now facing a fight with the SDNY who has a 98% conviction rate.

[TimTimTimbo]

Once again, who cares if a state commission gets involved. The people on that list are now facing a fight with the SDNY who has a 98% conviction rate.

I hope you are right but is this not the remnants of the original prosecution and that these people may not necessarily get charged. I thought I remember Gural being a little miffed that more people should have gone down at the time and that it would take up too many resources from the Feds to keep going. This list was built on the original case.

Like I said, I hope you are correct but why wait years to nab the rest of the originals? 

Maybe they have a new bunch of names and new indictments, who knows but time will tell.

They need to clean the industry up because obviously the 1st sen of indictments didn't slow things down a lot.

[Larry Bird Boy]

What you seem to not understand is the Feds are involved and not the various piece of shit state gaming and racing commissions. The Feds don't sweep shit under the rug like they do unless it will enhance their case. If I was on the list, I would be scared.

I agree with you.  When the FEDs get involved look the fuck out. I can’t believe Howard Taylor was that careless. The guy is a multi millionaire but I guess sometimes the money goes to your head and you think you’re untouchable.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I hope you are right but is this not the remnants of the original prosecution and that these people may not necessarily get charged. I thought I remember Gural being a little miffed that more people should have gone down at the time and that it would take up too many resources from the Feds to keep going. This list was built on the original case.

Like I said, I hope you are correct but why wait years to nab the rest of the originals? 

Maybe they have a new bunch of names and new indictments, who knows but time will tell.

They need to clean the industry up because obviously the 1st sen of indictments didn't slow things down a lot.

I don't think Gural would have released an exclusion list if he didn't have assurances from the SDNY that these potential indictments would stick.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I agree with you.  When the FEDs get involved look the fuck out. I can’t believe Howard Taylor was that careless. The guy is a multi millionaire but I guess sometimes the money goes to your head and you think you’re untouchable.

[TimTimTimbo]

Good point.  I also think he would ban them now whether the Feds indict or not because he has proof of their dirty deeds.

[wizardofoz]

These so-called top trainers use drugs to get results. There is no such thing as a great trainer. Caring for a horse is standard textbook treatment, unless you start using a chemistry book to get results. Feed and jog a horse daily between races and that is all that should be done, plus equipment adjustments, shoeing, etc.  The smaller trainers should benefit from this and the same big owners keep using the same drugging crooks to win purses on horses in times that are inflated due to the drugs they jab into their necks and bodies.  It is time to level the playing field and give everyone a shot at winning.  The breeders know who the crooks are as well but revel in their misdeeds as they fraudulently inflate the stud fees on drugged up so-called champions.  Trainers have no legal business injecting a horse and it should result in an automatic expulsion from the sport. 

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

These so-called top trainers use drugs to get results. There is no such thing as a great trainer. Caring for a horse is standard textbook treatment, unless you start using a chemistry book to get results. Feed and jog a horse daily between races and that is all that should be done, plus equipment adjustments, shoeing, etc.  The smaller trainers should benefit from this and the same big owners keep using the same drugging crooks to win purses on horses in times that are inflated due to the drugs they jab into their necks and bodies.  It is time to level the playing field and give everyone a shot at winning.  The breeders know who the crooks are as well but revel in their misdeeds as they fraudulently inflate the stud fees on drugged up so-called champions.  Trainers have no legal business injecting a horse and it should result in an automatic expulsion from the sport.

Good post 

[Casualfan1]

KEEP SMOKING THE CRACK PIPE AND OWNING 5% OF 26 HORSES MIDGET. GO HOP IN YOUR MINI COOPER AND DRIVE OF THE CLIFF NEAR OVERHISERS PLACE IN FLORIDA. THE FEDS STILL HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER NAMES AND ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BRO. THEYRE COMING FOR ALL OF THE HORSE ABUSERS.

I’ll tell you this, there a few trainers owners and drivers that wish they were on this list.  The Feds got the names of the ones they will pursue under wraps.
Basically saying here Gural, you can have these but the bigger fish are ours.  Stay tuned

[TheGrimReaper]

Harness racing was such a small part of gambling that it skated by with the usual assortment of crooks and lowlifes.  Monied owners looked the other way as long as they were winning.  The vast majority of little owners either love it or a financially stupid as they lose money on horses.  Horse racing, both thoroughbred and harness are getting a closer look.  These crooks are no better than Sam Bankman-Friedman, just on a smaller scale.  How do you expect to grow a harness business when everything you read is it’s crooked.  Gural owns a business and like any business can exclude whoever he wants.  State legislatures may lower or take away the golden goose of subsidies in the near future.  Don Nance was right “ it’s a dead game laddies”.  For all the crooks who get caught and pay the price……who cares.  I got out of the game years ago, don’t bet or follow it other than reading here.  Good luck to those who still believe.

[Third Over]

Remember.. there's no 'contamination' defense for Federal out of competition testing and these offenses will not be overlooked with the strict new HISA outlines.

[Jctoronto]

A new word that will be worked into many harness racing conversations in '24  re: tracks, casinos, states, drugs, cheaters, sports betting house monsters, etc..

TEETERING
...as in 'teetering on the brink'.
...as in 'teetering on the brink of disaster'.

[Stan durbread]

A new word that will be worked into many harness racing conversations in '24  re: tracks, casinos, states, drugs, cheaters, sports betting house monsters, etc..

TEETERING
...as in 'teetering on the brink'.
...as in 'teetering on the brink of disaster'.

They have been predicting that next year will be the last for harness racing on here for 20 years. Nance was saying it when this was Barn TO Wire.